End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

yes women did help him in the ministry he said so....

Philippians 4:3

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And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

- King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition

[Sister Alvear]

After comrnending Phebe, the minister of the Church at Cenchrea, Paul proceeds to name other worthy persons, among whom are a number of females. "Great
Priscilla and Aquilla, my helpers in Christ Jesus." Priscilla was a woman, the wife of Aquilla, and they were Paul's helpers in Christ. "Salute Tryphena and Tryposawho labor in the Lord." These were two females, and they labored in the Lord.
"Salute the beloved Persis which labored much in the Lord." Persis was another female laborer, and she labored much in the Lord. Paul. says, Phil. iv. 3.. "Help those women that labored with me in the gospel." If it were now said of any persons, that they labor in the gospel, it would be understood that they preach the gospel, and it is clear that Paul labored in connection with females, who preached the gospel of the grace ofGod.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

So Deborah was a shame was Huldah a shame? Was Anna a shame? The Prophetess Who Spoke of Jesus in the temple ....remember her actions affirm Amos 3:7: “Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing his plans to his servants the prophets.”

Did Deborah, Huldah, Anna - or any other woman ever-once exposit from the Scriptures to men? If you think they did, please demonstrate where they did from the biblical data - esp. since you earlier emphasized what the Bible does "not" say:__________?

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

yes women did help him in the ministry he said so....

Philippians 4:3

Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Philippians 4:3.


And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

- King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition

Well, I've explained this to you about 50 times already - so what's one more time ?


The Greek verb translated as "laboured" above is lexically defined as:


συναθλέω, συνάθλω; 1 aorist συνήθλησα; to strive at the same time with another: with a dative commodi (cf. Winer's Grammar, § 31, 4), for something, Philippians 1:21; τίνι ἐν τίνι, together with one in something, Philippians 4:3.


Hmmm, I must have overlooked the part about "preaching-teaching" in the meaning of this verb !? Guess these ladies were equally shipwrecked, in the deep, beheaded, in prison & equally received the same lashes Paul did ??



Besides, for about the 50th time now, the context is not dealing with teaching-preaching to men in the church - but rather witnessing to the lost about Christ - which every one should do.


My wife certainly strives with me in the gospel - but she certainly does not claim to be a "preacher." Remember that bit about "reading between the lines" ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

After comrnending Phebe, the minister of the Church at Cenchrea, Paul proceeds to name other worthy persons, among whom are a number of females.


LOL - No Sis. Alvear, Phoebe was not "the minister of the Church at Cenchrea" - Go back & re-read earlier in this thread where I already showed this to be completely false .



"Great Priscilla and Aquilla, my helpers in Christ Jesus." Priscilla was a woman, the wife of Aquilla, and they were Paul's helpers in Christ. "Salute Tryphena and Tryposawho labor in the Lord." These were two females, and they labored in the Lord.
"Salute the beloved Persis which labored much in the Lord." Persis was another female laborer, and she labored much in the Lord. Paul. says, Phil. iv. 3.. "Help those women that labored with me in the gospel." If it were now said of any persons, that they labor in the gospel, it would be understood that they preach the gospel, and it is clear that Paul labored in connection with females, who preached the gospel of the grace ofGod.

NO Sis. Alvear - the biblical text does "not say" (remember your argument earlier?) these women were "preachers" - the commentary you're copying from says that (didn't you just try to correct me about "extra-biblical sources" ?)!


Keep trying to wear us down with your copy-paste jobs though - it sure seems to soothe your conscience (though you better be prepared to stick around for a while !).

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rdp

NASB Translations of the conjunction:

after (2), also (2), another* (8), even (4), even though (1), former* (1), however (6), moreover (1), moreover* (1), nevertheless (1), now (267), or (6), other (1), other hand (4), others* (3), partly (1), rather (1), so (12), suppose* (1), then (6), therefore (1), though (1), what (1), when (3), whereas (2), yes (1), yet (25).


That was my point....

Ohhhhhh but it wasn't translated at all here in the NASB...right?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ohhhhhh but it wasn't translated at all here in the NASB...right?

Ohhhhhh, but that in no way negates the definition of "more frequently denoting transition or conversion, and serving to introduce something else."


Or, "'Moreover, is perhaps the best over-all translation of this conjunction. 1161/de introduces a clause and says in effect, 'There is more to the story' (or) 'Now for the rest'."


Keep trying Prax !

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

the story of Deborah is a wonderful story but Huldah is my favorite story ...however speaking of Deborah the Bible describes her as a woman speaking the words of God, giving commands to a man who was apparently enough of a leader that he could raise an army of ten thousand men. God is quite willing for a woman to give his commands to men. There is nothing in the nature of God or the nature of men and women that makes such a thing inappropriate. God can use women, and we need to be alert for the possibility that he is, and we need to be willing to respond.

And I will say for the ....... time (forgot to count...) I am not promoting women running "the show" I am only saying GOD can and will use a GODLY lady....

You most certainly are promoting women running the show. It is abundantly clear when you emphasize such phrases as Deborah giving commands to a man and being "chief." You offered in other posts about Huldah being an "authoritative" leader. These are only a small fraction of the claims you have made on this thread, with many of them being repasted in the last several posts. Your intent is obvious, while you hide behind such diversionary statements as "I am not promoting women running the show," the evidence is contradictory. To me you show blatant, willful disregard and distaste for the Biblical injunctions regarding women learning in silence with all subjection, not speaking in the church, and not exercising authority over the man. You cannot have female "chiefs, authoritative leaders, giving commands to men," and still be compatible with the NT injunctions of not exercising authority over the man.

You have not shown where women were ever expositing from scripture, you cannot produce where they were ever a part of the priesthood, or was among any Apostles Jesus chose, not one qualification for a female deacon, not one female qualification for a female bishop. The NT church was built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, not one verse in all the NT can be traced to any Genesis through Malachi prophetess or judges.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ohhhhhh, but that in no way negates the definition of "more frequently denoting transition or conversion, and serving to introduce something else." Or, "'Moreover, is perhaps the best over-all translation of this conjunction. 1161/de introduces a clause and says in effect, 'There is more to the story' (or) 'Now for the rest'."


Keep trying Prax !

But the NASB did NOT translate it "moreover".....

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

But the NASB did NOT translate it "moreover".....

Ummm, yes it did translate the conjunction as "Moreover" (Just not in this vs.): moreover (1), moreover* (1)


I was merely giving the hue of the conjunction in the overall sense (just as you did with your quotes earlier ).


But, again, this has absolutely no bearing on what grammarians have affirmed about this particular conjunction .

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ummm, yes it did translate the conjunction as "Moreover" (Just not in this vs.): moreover (1), moreover* (1)


I was merely giving the hue of the conjunction in the overall sense (just as you did with your quotes earlier ).


But, again, this has absolutely no bearing on what grammarians have affirmed about this particular conjunction .

Duh...that's what we were talking about THIS verse lol...Have a good night RDP