End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

What assertion? You made an assertion and I simply commented that it was a poor argument. I'm now asserting something? I'm pointing out that you can't use the fact that something wasn't recorded as a strong argument for "it didn't happen." You seem like a smart man, so I'm not sure why you want to argue about this particular comment. A lack of record isn't proof of much, other than a lack of record.

You have in fact made an assertion. I will have to try to find time later to illustrate it. Not sure when. I have work tomorrow and a Bible study tomorrow night.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by RJR

So Sasha, you are saying... one cannot preach without teaching, but they can teach without preaching. The conclusion is preaching can bleed over into teaching but teaching cannot bleed over into preaching. I am sure no one will ever confuse that distinction.

Better tell those women preachers that!

Beat me to it!


Ya' think someone might be attempting to have it both ways in order to protect an agenda ?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Are you asserting that Saul was throwing false Christian women in prison?

I am asserting that persecution is NOT the standard for truth. It is a fact that heretics, Gnostics and others, were persecuted as well as Christians. Neither the Romans nor the Jews differentiated between sects that claimed Christ. In their opinion everyone who claimed Christ was to be stopped. It is the height of folly to to use such a ludicrous standard for truth.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You still cannot excuse Junia, despite your desperate attempt at making her a tablewaiter, something the Bible doesn't mention nor does Paul.

As for authority, no man other than my husband has authority over me. That's Bible.

LOL - Good ol' "Apostle" Junia . Did you even bother to read the in-depth exegesis of said passage in the paper by Drs. Wallace & Burer? Quite telling.


And, you still cannot make her a "minister" despite your desperate attempt to make her one - something the Bible doesn't mention, nor does Paul!


See how easy that was ?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

The claim was made that one cannot preach without using scripture. While I agree with you, Jesus wasn't quoting scripture when preaching.

But let's move on. John The Baptist often preached without using scripture, yet many of his words also became scripture.

That would be wrong. He preached about the coming Messiah. The OT is filled with references to the Messiah. Even though there is little record of what exactly John preached we know he prepared the way for Jesus. His disciples were looking for the one who was coming after him. Therefore, it would be difficult to preach about Jesus without referencing the scriptures.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Eh...no.

Look at the context

1Co 14:34 Let your women be silent in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as the Law also says.
1Co 14:35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for a woman to speak in a church.

If you were right that it means preach then contextually Paul was telling the women to preach to their husbands at home not at church.

The context shows he was regarding LEARNING and ASKING their husbands questions they should ask instead at home.

aléō; contracted lalṓ, fut. lalḗsō. To talk at random, as contrasted with légō (G3004) which involves the intellectual part of man, his reason. It is used especially of children with the meaning of to talk much.

Missing something there Prax.


The Greek conjunction translated "and" (δέ) above in v. 35 is functioning as an adversative particle meaning "moreover, indeed now, on top of this, or next" (http://biblehub.com/greek/1161.htm).


What this means is that Paul makes a clear restriction in v. 34 - then in v. 35 he appends another thought "on top of this" (i.e., the prohibition of v. 34).


The Greek verb most certainly can mean "to preach" - or else the KJV translators wouldn't have opted for the translation in 6 different places (& no, I am NOT a KJV-Only). A Greek professor who used to tutor me once told me that this verb can indeed mean "preach."

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Mar 2:2 And at once many were gathered, so as none any longer had room, not even to the door. And He spoke the Word to them.

Vincents Word Study
He preached (ἐλάλει)
Lit., spake, as Rev. Imperfect tense. He was speaking when the occurrence which follows took place.

Act 8:25 Now when they had testified and spoken the word of the Lord, they returned to Jerusalem, preaching the gospel to many villages of the Samaritans.

The word Spoken is Laleo. The next word Preaching the gospel is εὐαγγελίζω

I could probably go on, but my point is, finding a small sample in a particular translation that translates a word one way does not mean it's ALWAYS translated or meant to be translated that way.

But these examples most certainly do mean that "preach" is an equally viable translation of this verb - hence, our original point remains unscathed.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He did that in his sleep

So good to see those "unbiased" & "fair" AFF administrators !


Just don't get it do you .

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The very fact it says teaching AND preaching shows these were two distinct Actions or Functions.

The word for Preach here is where we get our word Evangelize

Zodhaites
εὐαγγελίζω
euaggelízō; fut. euaggelísō, aor. euēggélisa, from euággelos (n.f.), bringing good news, which is from eu (G2095), good, well, and aggéllō (n.f.), to proclaim, tell. To evangelize, proclaim the good news, preach the gospel. It was at the time that the first Christians were "scattered abroad, and went about preaching the Word" after the martyrdom of Stephen (he being one of the seven), that the verb euaggelízō (G2097), to publish the good tidings or good news, was used by Luke in Act_8:4, Act_8:12, Act_8:25, Act_8:35, Act_8:40.

Used in the act. voice meaning to declare, proclaim (Rev_10:7; Rev_14:6); in the pass. voice, euaggelízomai, of matters to be proclaimed as glad tidings (Luk_16:16; Gal_1:11; 1Pe_1:25); of persons to whom the proclamation is made (Mat_11:5; Luk_7:22; Heb_4:2, Heb_4:6; 1Pe_4:6); in the mid. voice especially of the message of salvation with a personal obj., either of the person preached (Act_5:42; Act_11:20; Gal_1:16), or with a prep., of persons evangelized (Act_8:12; Act_13:32; Eph_3:8). Not found in Gospel of Mark, or the epistles and Gospel of John, only once in the Gospel of Matthew, and twice in the Book of the Revelation. Related to euaggélion (G2098), a good message. Also from euággelos (n.f.): euaggélion (G2098), good news.

Nice quote from your Logos software Prax. I am well familiar with Zodhiates & the force of this Greek term (but thank you for the reminder ).


You are only assuming that these terms are not being used synonymously - but you have offered no textual evidences - only what you believe.


Using your logic above, because the NT says God "AND" Father - Is "God" now not the same as the "Father" ?


I am asking you once again (& would appreciate an answer) - Are you suggesting that when they were "teaching" they ceased to "preach" ??

[RJR]

John the Baptist using scripture...

Luk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Luk 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Luk 3:4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Luk 3:5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
Luk 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Luk 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Luk 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Luk 3:10..  ..And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
Luk 3:11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
Luk 3:12 Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
Luk 3:13 And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
Luk 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
Luk 3:15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;
Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Luk 3:17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.
Luk 3:18 And many other things in his exhortation preached he unto the people.