End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Are you arguing because Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Pastor and Evangelist are masculine nouns they can't include women?

Women are not to be in the 5-fold ministry - but, as I already stated, one cannot ALWAYS (depends on context) make an argument from gender alone - yet, this is the very thing Sis. Alvear has tried to do & I'm simply pointing out the complete inconsistency of her argument in this area....Simple.

[Praxeas]

Can a woman be a Prophetess?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Teaching and Preaching are not the same things

If a woman can't preach, then we need to make sure they never tell their friends or neighbors about the gospel.

Unfortunately we tend to define "preach" as what a man does in church when he reads 1 verse out of context and then tells anecdotal stories for 40 min or so.

In the NT, the two verbs "preach" & "teach" are most often used interchangeably & synonymously (will try to demonstrate this later - posting on my phone right now). Kinda' like the nouns "God" & "Father" in the NT.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Can a woman be a Prophetess?

Prax, I know where you're going (remember, we've been there & done this for years!). I've dealt with the "Prophetess" argument in this thread numerous times already. There are no NT prophetesses & Paul mentions them no-where in ANY of his lists of the ministry.


Besides, "prophetesses" were not (nor have ever been) expositors of the Scriptures to men. If you're thinking they are, please demonstrate this from the OT (since they appear nowhere in the NT - other than Jezebel ).


Have to check back in tomorrow night - long day tomorrow.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rdp

In the NT, the two verbs "preach" & "teach" are most often used interchangeably & synonymously (will try to demonstrate this later - posting on my phone right now). Kinda' like the nouns "God" & "Father" in the NT.

Perhaps but consider Paul used "Preacher" and "teacher" distinctly

2Ti 1:11 For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rdp

Prax, I know where you're going (remember, we've been there & done this for years!). I've dealt with the "Prophetess" argument in this thread numerous times already. There are no NT prophetesses & Paul mentions them no-where in ANY of his lists of the ministry.


Besides, "prophetesses" were not (nor have ever been) expositors of the Scriptures to men. If you're thinking they are, please demonstrate this from the OT (since they appear nowhere in the NT - other than Jezebel ).


Have to check back in tomorrow night - long day tomorrow.

No but you mentioned the five fold ministry and one was "prophet".

What is a prophet if not someone who prophecies?

Luk 2:36 There was also a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old, having been married to her husband for seven years until his death.

On the Five Fold Ministry being all masculine nouns...thats not really a good argument.

Church is feminine and covers both gender believers.

There may be other nouns such as "brethren" meant to refer to both genders

"Believers" is masculine. Jews is.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rdp

Back a little later!


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I am noticing that every time you do come back, Sis. Alvear is still a missionary and still sharing the Gospel. I am thinking that she will continue doing that until she is laid in a pine box. Just sayin'...

[Sister Alvear]

Dear ones...my husband and I are doing a marriage retreat....this coming weekend...several couple that I know that will be there are in need of a touch from heaven...please keep this retreat in your prayers...Over 50 couple have registered and more seeing if they can work it out. Bro. Alvear and I are picking up the tab for everyone as a present to all...(However they do not know that yet) We have such a burden to help our young couples.. Until Sat...we have a full schedule at our other churches in this area...2 services today...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No but you mentioned the five fold ministry and one was "prophet".

What is a prophet if not someone who prophecies?

Luk 2:36 There was also a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old, having been married to her husband for seven years until his death.

On the Five Fold Ministry being all masculine nouns...thats not really a good argument.

Church is feminine and covers both gender believers.

There may be other nouns such as "brethren" meant to refer to both genders

"Believers" is masculine. Jews is.

Just as I said - I knew EXACTLY where you were going. Context determines whether gender has any bearing on an argument. Since the context of Paul's statement is ministry - I find it interesting that in NONE of the offices he mentions does he use the feminine - but ALWAYS the masculine.


As I said when Sis. Alvear first attempted to use this argument, noun gender is not ALWAYS a hard & fast rule - but just pointing out her glaring inconsistency.


You are assuming that Paul uses teacher, Apostle, & preacher distinctly - I would argue the polar opposite - that he's using them interchangeably. It ' snit like he changes hats - switching from teaching to preaching ??


Regarding Anna & prophecy - biblical Prophecy has never been taking a text from the scriptural canon & expounding from it to others - which is why the Bible does not record that Anna (nor any other woman) ever did so.



Back a little later !

[Sister Alvear]

I did not try I used it...just a shame I don't have more time...