Just A Reminder To Those Who Have Left The Forum

[seekerman]

Simply because you aren't participating on the forum anymore that doesn't mean the questions will go away. They're still there hanging around for when, or if, you choose to return.

Discussion and truth is nothing to be afraid of. Responding by leaving isn't really a response and responding by character attacks and attempted coercion isn't a response. Why not just civilly discuss issues without threats and/or character assassination and if agreement isn't reached, so be it.

Remember....

Jer 12:5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

[KWSS1976]

Its all good I have had someone unfriend me before on Facebook, cause he went off on a rant about "Modesty" dress rules" and I wanted to explain what the scripture was really saying about the subject but he went into name calling cause I was going against the dress code system and just about everyone of my old church family saw that and saw his name calling..I think it really made them step back and look at themselves..

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Simply because you aren't participating on the forum anymore that doesn't mean the questions will go away. They're still there hanging around for when, or if, you choose to return.

Discussion and truth is nothing to be afraid of. Responding by leaving isn't really a response and responding by character attacks and attempted coercion isn't a response. Why not just civilly discuss issues without threats and/or character assassination and if agreement isn't reached, so be it.

Remember....

Jer 12:5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

If it were a level playing field....possibly.....it is not a level playing field however, because we are constantly referred to as cults/cultic, our beliefs are not respected (yet everybody else demands we accept without question theirs) no matter how many times we state our beliefs and give scripture as to why we believe them, the response is that's not what the scripture means. As you know, we (those that preach/practice/believe in standards) according to more than one on this forum, are now cheats, liars, adulterers, wife swappers, and pedophiles/child abusers. It runs in our DNA and is inherent in our character. I think that makes it a little hard for us to have real discussion. Oh and BTW threats and/or character assassination is not exclusive to those who may see things differently than you.....I have seen/read it from all sides.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by bishoph

If it were a level playing field....possibly.....it is not a level playing field however, because we are constantly referred to as cults/cultic, our beliefs are not respected (yet everybody else demands we accept without question theirs) no matter how many times we state our beliefs and give scripture as to why we believe them, the response is that's not what the scripture means. As you know, we (those that preach/practice/believe in standards) according to more than one on this forum, are now cheats, liars, adulterers, wife swappers, and pedophiles/child abusers. It runs in our DNA and is inherent in our character. I think that makes it a little hard for us to have real discussion. Oh and BTW threats and/or character assassination is not exclusive to those who may see things differently than you.....I have seen/read it from all sides.

What would be your view toward those ministers who fellowship with those churches where the practice of keeping medical care from children exist?

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by seekerman

What would be your view toward those ministers who fellowship with those churches where the practice of keeping medical care from children exist?

I have made my stand on this subject very clear....I will NEVER stand by and allow the abuse of a child. I will report such and do everything in my power to see to that those responsible are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.....which in most case is not enough IMO.

I will not fellowship any church/pastor who teaches/endorses child abuse. Believing God for healing is one thing, allowing children to suffer/die is something totally different.

If we were in different times/under different circumstances (such as a government requirement to violate religious faith in exchange for treatment) then my answer would be different with regard to medical treatment......but never different with regard to abuse.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by seekerman

What would be your view toward those ministers who fellowship with those churches where the practice of keeping medical care from children exist?

Still no names or city listed to substantiate your claims of child abuse.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I have made my stand on this subject very clear....I will NEVER stand by and allow the abuse of a child. I will report such and do everything in my power to see to that those responsible are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.....which in most case is not enough IMO.

I will not fellowship any church/pastor who teaches/endorses child abuse. Believing God for healing is one thing, allowing children to suffer/die is something totally different.

If we were in different times/under different circumstances (such as a government requirement to violate religious faith in exchange for treatment) then my answer would be different with regard to medical treatment......but never different with regard to abuse.

I agree the government shouldn't be the determinant regarding the medical care of one's children, that should be the responsibility of the parent.

I don't really know you, but I do believe you wouldn't fellowship and associate with those who practice the issues concerning medical care, or lack thereof, of children. That's by far the norm within oneness Pentecostalism, that's the rule rather than the exception.

Should those who do fellowship and associate with that segment, however small, of oneness pentecostalism be questioned for their behavior though? For example, if a oneness pentecostal started embracing 'liberal' standards, there are those who would quickly point out the error of the brother and cease any fellowship with him or the church which he pastors. There would be no hesitation in those cases. Some would even go to the extreme of disfellowshipping themselves from the organization of which they were a part and begin their own organization.

So, the question remains. What should those who find they're in fellowship with those who practice, however infrequently, however small the occurrence, erroneous theology which results in the suffering, and sometimes death, of little children do? You've made yourself quite clear on your position and I appreciate that. Is it permissible to question those who aren't so clear with their position or is that taboo? Does questioning that person or persons make the questioner evil or unglody?

I don't think it does.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Simply because you aren't participating on the forum anymore that doesn't mean the questions will go away. They're still there hanging around for when, or if, you choose to return.

Discussion and truth is nothing to be afraid of. Responding by leaving isn't really a response and responding by character attacks and attempted coercion isn't a response. Why not just civilly discuss issues without threats and/or character assassination and if agreement isn't reached, so be it.

Remember....

Jer 12:5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

Just so everyone knows, Bro. Epley did not leave the AFF because he couldn't/wouldn't answer Seekerman, (he just ignored Seekerman and that must really gall him ) but because of a totally different reason.

From the What kind of pastor is this? thread

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I don't believe one word about any immorality. He dearly loved his wife.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am out.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Still no names or city listed to substantiate your claims of child abuse.

And there will be none from me. Sure wish epley hadn't skedaddled. I'm keeping the questions on the back burner for when he returns though. Possibly he could know some?

Do you know of any?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Just so everyone knows, Bro. Epley did not leave the AFF because he couldn't/wouldn't answer Seekerman, (he just ignored Seekerman and that must really gall him ) but because of a totally different reason.

From the What kind of pastor is this? thread

Yes, epley evaded my questions.