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Originally Posted by Disciple4life
O.K. I will throw in my two cents.
I have had questions about this before. Acts 2:38 seems to imply that the blood is applied at baptism. Other scriptures seem to imply at repentance.
Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
1Pe 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
I just read a GREAT book that has cleared up the issue for me.
The book is The Lost Sons of God by Kenneth V Reeves.
When a person believes and repents of their sin they are redeemed from the curse of Adam. The person is justified and saved from God’s wrath. This person is a redeemed son of God. Jesus is our Passover lamb that was sacrificed for our sins. The Israelites put the blood of the lamb over their doorpost. They were saved from punishment before they went to the Red sea.
When the person goes on to be baptized in Jesus Name, they are buried with Christ just like all of Israel went through the Red sea.
When a person takes the next step and receives the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (by speaking in tongues) they are born again. They are a new creation Just like Jesus after he was resurrected. There is no waiting to get to Heaven. At this point we Enter In. We are citizens of Heaven and receive Full Salvation.
After all this you walk with the Lord for the rest of your time on this planet.
The important thing to remember is not to stop at Calvary, Jerusalem or Pentecost. You have to keep moving and serving the Lord of Lord and King of Kings.
So, I always considered myself a three stepper. BUT I have changed my mind on certain issues when I learn what the bible teaches and I grow in the knowledge of the Lord. |
Jesus explained 'born again' as being of water and spirit. Water baptism and Spirit baptism are two elements of the new birth.
You said, "When a person believes and repents of their sin they are redeemed from the curse of Adam. The person is justified and saved from God’s wrath."
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
We are washed, sanctified, and justified
in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
To be justified is to be 'declared righteous'. Can a person be declared righteous who has not been forgiven of their sins? Remission of sins, and justification, go hand in hand, and cannot be separated. And since remission of sins is accomplished in baptism, neither can baptism and justification be separated.
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Paul said in another place Christ is made unto us justification. So Christ is our justification. But we do not put on this justification, this righteousness, unless we have been baptised into Christ.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The context is how baptism answers as an antitype to the saving of Noah from the wrath of God in the Flood. Just as Noah was saved from the wrath of God in the flood, we are saved in baptism. The context demands that baptism is the event in which we 'are saved from God's wrath' against sin.
Once again, people are trying to dissect the salvation experience into separable component parts, not realizing the bible treats of them as distinct but inseparable aspects of a whole conversion-salvation experience.
There are no 'three steps', nor is there a 'one step'. There is only salvation. There are many aspects to salvation - faith, believing, obedience, justification, sanctification, cleansing, washing, sprinkling of the conscience, Atonement, Passover, the Tabernacling of God with men, repentance, baptism, receiving the Spirit, new birth, being born again, begotten of God, begotten of the Word, etc etc etc.
When we try to chop it up into various parts, we inevitably run into error. We wind up asking questions that the apostles would not recognize as valid questions, like 'what about a person who believes, but is not baptised?' And we come up with bizarre unbiblical doctrines to provide answers to bizarre unbiblical questions, rather than transforming ourselves by the renewing of our mind to the Biblical worldview, whereby all thoughts are taken captive to the obedience of Christ and imaginations are cast down.
We must think Biblically. Otherwise we wind up with human speculations that will surely lead further and further away from truth.
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