A Whole New Level of Apostolic Hero Worship - Page 9

Praxeas · #81 08-13-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

What's sad is that people aren't giving strictly out of a single focused desire to further the work. It's a gimmick.

Why not say, "We need $40,000 in donations and pledges for missions this year. Let's please search our hearts and seek God. If we can't reach this goal we may have to scale back our efforts to further the gospel."

Prove it, don't spray it! How do YOU know why people are giving or not?

We have "cake auctions" where people spend 30 or more dollars on a 5-10 dollar cake. You think the do that because they just want the cake?

BTW they DO just say things like that and they DO raise money that way.

Are you people bored?

Praxeas · #82 08-13-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree. And it is MUCH different than selling peanut brittle.

All of my sisters and our brother each took a monogrammed shirt belonging to our father after he died. Now that is an article of clothing I can appreciate.

He was a special person to you...

navygoat1998 · #83 08-13-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Prove it, don't spray it! How do YOU know why people are giving or not?

We have "cake auctions" where people spend 30 or more dollars on a 5-10 dollar cake. You think the do that because they just want the cake?

BTW they DO just say things like that and they DO raise money that way.

Are you people bored?

Prax you have cake????

Michael Phelps · #84 08-13-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Prove it, don't spray it! How do YOU know why people are giving or not?

We have "cake auctions" where people spend 30 or more dollars on a 5-10 dollar cake. You think the do that because they just want the cake?

BTW they DO just say things like that and they DO raise money that way.

Are you people bored?

I have to agree with Prax on this one......I've been in a General Conference Mission service where thousands were given with no gimmick. And, I've been to a lot of secular fundraisers where items were auctioned off at a far greater value than the object was actually worth.

As long as people realize that its all in the interest of raising some money, and it's for a good cause, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Now, if someone believes that there is actual anointing in those ties, then we have a different problem, altogether.

Praxeas · #85 08-13-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Prax you have cake????

Yes....chocolate :-)

RandyWayne · #86 08-13-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I have to agree with Prax on this one......I've been in a General Conference Mission service where thousands were given with no gimmick. And, I've been to a lot of secular fundraisers where items were auctioned off at a far greater value than the object was actually worth.

As long as people realize that its all in the interest of raising some money, and it's for a good cause, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Now, if someone believes that there is actual anointing in those ties, then we have a different problem, altogether.

I suspect that MOST don't believe this but we know there is a % that most definitely does. And this type of auction feeds into that mentality.

Praxeas · #87 08-13-2013, 03:07 PM

How about auctioning off one of those Microphone balls after a preacher spit on it all night long?

seekerman · #88 08-13-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Because things liek food cost money. Helping the poor and orphans wasn't free. Perhaps you missed when Paul wrote to the other churches saying he was in need and they took a collection for him. Prolly cost money to travel to new lands on missions, both for Paul and the others.

Really...what didn't, or still doesn't, cost money? Even if you only meet in homes there is still cost somewhere that must be paid for by either the host alone or the church as a whole.

I agree that things cost money. And I agree that helping the poor, orphans and supporting certain evangelistic efforts cost money. The problem is what the problem's been for quite a while now....the romananist 'church' system of paying for professional preachers while supporting a building based system. By far the biggest expenditure in any 'church' is paying the preacher(s) in the system and the support of the building, it's not spending according to the New Testament church system.

Of course there's pride in the auctioning of a man's tie....or any other item of that man. Yes there's a commercial element brought into the church by this and the selling of peanut brittle. Thing is, if the New Testament system was followed there wouldn't be professional preachers in man-made buildings they call "churches" spending this money by the bucketfuls which should go to the poor, orphans, widows and those evangelizing.

Selling all this junk, and I do mean junk, attempting to commercialize the church is very very wrong.

Pressing-On · #89 08-13-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

He was a special person to you...

Right, and no one else and their tie would be.

Pressing-On · #90 08-13-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I have to agree with Prax on this one......I've been in a General Conference Mission service where thousands were given with no gimmick. And, I've been to a lot of secular fundraisers where items were auctioned off at a far greater value than the object was actually worth.

As long as people realize that its all in the interest of raising some money, and it's for a good cause, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Now, if someone believes that there is actual anointing in those ties, then we have a different problem, altogether.

I don't know why a preacher would think selling their tie was in good taste. It gives off a view of having the preeminence. IMO, there is no other view to be had than being in poor taste and in bad judgment.

If people can't give because the money is needed without receiving something back, there is something terribly wrong going on.