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Old 07-14-2013, 01:50 PM
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In my opinion, this is a case of wanna be thug meets wanna be cop gone bad. I think GZ was unethical but legal when he stepped out to question TM. TM went from innocent to breaking the law when he assaulted GZ. GZ was legally defending his life. GZ was unethical in his approach towards Martin but was certainly with in his legal rights to defend himself. Regardless of Al Sharptons allegations, race had nothing to do with this.

This is a succinct summation of a sad situation.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:52 PM
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This was certainly about race for the news media and Sharpton. I dont think it was about race for GZ, the jurors and the PD to name a few.
Absolutely agree.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:57 PM
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The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin.
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:09 PM
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What the heck does a legally armed citizen exercising his right of self defense have to do with 'gun violence'?
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:14 PM
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Anyone who says that this is not about race is wrong. If both TM and GZ had been white there would have been no arrest. If both TM and GZ had been black there would have been no arrest and it probably never would have even made the news.

About TM's mom... my heart breaks for her... especially because she had to take a stand with TM about his behavior. Moms always feel like we could have and should have done more. I understand her pain and her inability to be reasonable about this situation. What I DO NOT understand is those who are playing on her pain to enhance their own agendas.
The mom, dad, and their lawyers have been awesome throughout this process. They have always advocated for peace no matter what happens.

I also agree about our hearts breaking for her loss. However what some people don't seem to understand is that hating her loss and what she is going through is not solved by erroneously convicting someone of purposefully killing him when they did not.
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:18 PM
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CC!, I will not belabor this issue because this changes nothing, but it doesn't matter if Tray was a crack head...

He had every right to be there.

Though not an innocent little boy, he was a 17 year unarmed young man with a life.
Yes but he did not have a right to beat the mess out of GZ
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GZ had a gun. He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.
No he couldn't. Travon was on top of George beating his face in. He testified that at one point he thought Trayvon was trying to get his gun. When you are in fear of your life and someone has beating your nose in you don't have the luxury of aiming for an arm that is flying around (moving target)

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GZ could have called an ambulance rather than watch him die.
He didn't watch TM die. He found out TM was dead at the Police station. There was an eye witness who called it in already.

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And he could show some remorse for a life taken.
He did
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:19 PM
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What the heck does a legally armed citizen exercising his right of self defense have to do with 'gun violence'?
Just a few inflammatory key words used to get the uninformed to ignore the facts in the effort to take guns out of the law abiding citizens hands. Thats all.
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:20 PM
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For me, this crime was NEVER about race, and I really don't think it was for GZ either.
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No "it" wasn't about race. The whole ordeal though in the media was about race.

It never would have been a big news story if TM was white. Nobody would care. Nobody would be protesting. Obama never would have said "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon"

Most of us would not have much of an opinion because it would not have been sensationalized in the news
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:24 PM
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GZ's mom STILL has her son........Treyvons mom does NOT~
That does not make GZ guilty.

What if GZ did not have that gun and TM kept slugging? A lot of people have died by having their head bashed in and others have been permanently disabled (brain injury).

Then we can all be happy that TM's mom still has her child and GZ's mom does not
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:28 PM
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In my opinion, this is a case of wanna be thug meets wanna be cop gone bad. I think GZ was unethical but legal when he stepped out to question TM. TM went from innocent to breaking the law when he assaulted GZ. GZ was legally defending his life. GZ was unethical in his approach towards Martin but was certainly with in his legal rights to defend himself. Regardless of Al Sharptons allegations, race had nothing to do with this.
I don't believe there was any evidence GZ "stepped out to question TM".

I believe the evidence shows GZ "stepped out" to be able to find TM because TM "disappeared". GZ was trying to keep an eye on him so the police can find him.

I also don't believe GZ "approached" TM but the other way around. TM "confronted" GZ (the crazy blank cracker) to find out why he was following him....which BTW does not sound like he was scared.
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