Zimmerman not guilty!!!

[n david]

Originally Posted by endtimer

In my opinion, this is a case of wanna be thug meets wanna be cop gone bad. I think GZ was unethical but legal when he stepped out to question TM. TM went from innocent to breaking the law when he assaulted GZ. GZ was legally defending his life. GZ was unethical in his approach towards Martin but was certainly with in his legal rights to defend himself. Regardless of Al Sharptons allegations, race had nothing to do with this.

Actually, per the police liaison, GZ was doing what he was trained to do by following and reporting. I don't believe for a second he confronted TM first.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ILG

It seems like between this and the Paula Deen thing, the media is trying to get race riots going. I wonder why.

Guilty Until Proven Innocent: How the Press Prosecuted Zimmerman While Stoking Racial Tensions

As you will see below, by hook and crook, the mainstream media did everything in its still-potent power to not only push for the prosecution of Mr. Zimmerman (the police originally chose not to charge him) but also to gin up racial tensions where none needed to exist.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journal...rage-Rap-Sheet

[Lafon]

I have resisted the urge to give my opinion in this case, but to the following I cannot restrain myself from commenting.

Originally Posted by Barb

GZ had a gun.

Which was his LEGAL right to possess, so no crime committed.

He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.

Surely you can't be serious!

While lying with his back on the wet ground (it was raining, remember?), being restrained there by a much taller physically superior young man (not a 12 yr old child, as the MSM, his parents & biased supporters would have one believe), all the while being bashed in the face & having his head banged into the hard concrete, AND..... you expect GZ to have the presence of mind to retrieve his weapon from its holster at his waist, extend his arm above his head and fire it, not knowing where the bullet might go, or what innocent bystander or observer might be struck?

Oh! Maybe if I shoot this man in his leg or arm maybe he will cease assaulting me (let's not forget that GZ was unaware of TM's age at that moment, only that he had been rendered temporarily at a disadvantage by being knocked to the ground as a consequence of being "sucker punched")? Did you ever consider that such an act, if it had transpired after this manner, could have resulted in TM wrestling the weapon from GZ and then using it in reprisal? I would think it much more reasonable, that if one decides to use a weapon in defending himself under such circumstances (& that is exactly what GZ did), to make sure that it is used in the most effective manner to render the one who doing the assaulting immobile, or at a minimum to gain relief.

And he could show some remorse for a life taken.

We each display our emotions in varying ways. Without knowing GZ's state of mind then how might you know that he has never expressed remorse over TM's demise?

This is my opinion to which I am entitled. I shall have nothing further to say.

[ILG]

But why? And why is Obama getting into it? And why did my computer suddenly do the herky-jerky when I opened your link? Is the DHS tapping in?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Lafon

I have resisted the urge to give my opinion in this case, but to the following I cannot restrain myself from commenting.



Which was his LEGAL right to possess, so no crime committed.



Surely you can't be serious!

While lying with his back on the wet ground (it was raining, remember?), being restrained there by a much taller physically superior young man (not a 12 yr old child, as the MSM, his parents & biased supporters would have one believe), all the while being bashed in the face & having his head banged into the hard concrete, AND..... you expect GZ to have the presence of mind to retrieve his weapon from its holster at his waist, extend his arm above his head and fire it, not knowing where the bullet might go, or what innocent bystander or observer might be struck?

Oh! Maybe if I shoot this man in his leg or arm maybe he will cease assaulting me (let's not forget that GZ was unaware of TM's age at that moment, only that he had been rendered temporarily at a disadvantage by being knocked to the ground as a consequence of being "sucker punched")? Did you ever consider that such an act, if it had transpired after this manner, could have resulted in TM wrestling the weapon from GZ and then using it in reprisal? I would think it much more reasonable, that if one decides to use a weapon in defending himself under such circumstances (& that is exactly what GZ did), to make sure that it is used in the most effective manner to render the one who doing the assaulting immobile, or at a minimum to gain relief.



We each display our emotions in varying ways. Without knowing GZ's state of mind then how might you know that he has never expressed remorse over TM's demise?

This is my opinion to which I am entitled. I shall have nothing further to say.

GZ did identify to Dispatch that TM was a "late teen". Although, considering the circumstances, it wouldn't have mattered how old TM was. GZ was fighting for his life, and had a right to do that, regardless of age.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ILG

But why? And why is Obama getting into it? And why did my computer suddenly do the herky-jerky when I opened your link? Is the DHS tapping in?

Maybe just looking for threats being made. They picked up a 15-year old for death threats against Jews on Twitter if GZ was acquitted.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Barb

CC!, I will not belabor this issue because this changes nothing, but it doesn't matter if Tray was a crack head...

He had every right to be there.

Though not an innocent little boy, he was a 17 year unarmed young man with a life.

GZ had a gun. He could have fired the gun over his head, or shot him in the arm or leg.

GZ could have called an ambulance rather than watch him die.

And he could show some remorse for a life taken.

Any conceal gun carry course or self defense course will tell you not to fire a gun unless you aim to kill. If you are in a struggle and feel your life is in danger you do not shoot an arm or a leg. Particularly with a 9mm. It most likely would not stop the person shot. To suggest that a person in a struggle with another should just shoot an arm or leg is ludicrous because even if you wanted to that is most likely impossible. Do you say "excuse me, could you please let go and back off for a moment so I can aim for your arm or leg as not to hurt you badly?" People like you have all of these alternative scenarios of what Z should have done that just don't stand when you think about it.

It does matter if Trayvon was a thug because it goes to state of mind and makes it much more likely he did get aggressive with that "cracker" Zimmerman as Zimmerman claims and the evidence shows (broken nose, cuts on back of head).

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by n david

Actually, per the police liaison, GZ was doing what he was trained to do by following and reporting. I don't believe for a second he confronted TM first.

Let me clarify. As a gun enthusiast trained to carry a concealed weapon, I see nothing unethical or illegal in GZ following and reporting or even questioning TM from his vehicle. I take issue with his decision to exit the protection of his car. Either way GZ did nothing illegal in defending himself. I belief he put himself in harms way unnecessarily when he exited the car. Stupid but legal move in my opinion. All said, TMs death is his own fault. It will be interesting to see how this comes down in civil court.

[Titus2woman]

Anyone who says that this is not about race is wrong. If both TM and GZ had been white there would have been no arrest. If both TM and GZ had been black there would have been no arrest and it probably never would have even made the news.

About TM's mom... my heart breaks for her... especially because she had to take a stand with TM about his behavior. Moms always feel like we could have and should have done more. I understand her pain and her inability to be reasonable about this situation. What I DO NOT understand is those who are playing on her pain to enhance their own agendas.

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Anyone who says that this is not about race is wrong. If both TM and GZ had been white there would have been no arrest. If both TM and GZ had been black there would have been no arrest and it probably never would have even made the news.

About TM's mom... my heart breaks for her... especially because she had to take a stand with TM about his behavior. Moms always feel like we could have and should have done more. I understand her pain and her inability to be reasonable about this situation. What I DO NOT understand is those who are playing on her pain to enhance their own agendas.

This was certainly about race for the news media and Sharpton. I dont think it was about race for GZ, the jurors and the PD to name a few.