Healing?

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Timmy

I don't recall Jesus speaking to illness. Got some examples?

Sorry to be so long in getting back to you. Life encroaches at times

Here is perhaps the best known passage:
Luke 4:38-39
38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
39 And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them.

The Greek word translated here as "rebuked," is epitimao. It means to censure or admonish; to straitly charge or rebuke. It is a verbal command. Jesus spoke to the fever, just as He would a person and it obeyed Him and left.

There are numerous other example of Him speaking to the demonic spirit causing the illness and when the demon left the person was healed.

Matthew 8:16
When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

The most familiar example, perhaps, is:Matthew 17:16-18
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

The disciples failure to properly deal with this encounter, earned them the strongest rebuke Jesus ever gave them. We are told to "speak to the mountain" instead we tend to speak to others and to God about our mountains and thus they remain.

Hope this helps some.

[LifeUncommon]

Good stuff, Larry! Thanks for sharing!!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

Sorry to be so long in getting back to you. Life encroaches at times

Here is perhaps the best known passage:
Luke 4:38-39
38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
39 And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them.

The Greek word translated here as "rebuked," is epitimao. It means to censure or admonish; to straitly charge or rebuke. It is a verbal command. Jesus spoke to the fever, just as He would a person and it obeyed Him and left.

There are numerous other example of Him speaking to the demonic spirit causing the illness and when the demon left the person was healed.

Matthew 8:16
When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

The most familiar example, perhaps, is:Matthew 17:16-18
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

The disciples failure to properly deal with this encounter, earned them the strongest rebuke Jesus ever gave them. We are told to "speak to the mountain" instead we tend to speak to others and to God about our mountains and thus they remain.

Hope this helps some.

Thanks. I'd forgotten about that fever.

Any other examples of Jesus speaking to illness? Are all the other cases speaking to demons that cause illness?

Do you speak to demons, when you are trying to heal someone?

Is it incorrect to ask God to heal someone?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

UH-OH... Larry, I like you... a lot. I was kind of hoping we would not wind up wrangling with this one... but here goes... Can you sincerely say that in your 20 something years of nursing that you never saw someone with firm faith for their healing progress in their disease and die?

I have seen a woman on a vent with tumor and fluid filling her lungs, with cancer eating up all her organs, writing notes to her family telling them not to give up hope because the Lord had promised her her healing... right up until hours before she died.... and others like her. This breaks my heart as we are doing nothing to help people like this understand or prepare for death.

Everyone will die, illness is a part of that... I think that teaching that illness, or the failure to receive a supernatural healing from illness, is the result of a lack of faith is a very cruel teaching.

In all controlled studies to date, faith often does give one an edge in recovery from serious illness... but ALL faiths are equal in their ability to give that advantage... Every story I've heard otherwise was strictly anecdotal.

T2W, maybe my mind works crazy here, but in cases like this, I wonder if the Lord looks at healing another way.

If the dictionary reads that healing literally means to make whole, perhaps the passing saint could be termed 'healed'...they are finally whole and at rest.

I think our perception of things is often based on our level of understanding and the teaching we have had.

Maybe if we could pause when God speaks a promise and consider that the answer may not show up quite like we think.

I don't know...maybe I'm off on this...just my thoughts...

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Barb

I think our perception of things is often based on our level of understanding and the teaching we have had.

I realize your post was addressed to T2W not me, but I feel strongly that this quote is worthy of repeating. You have said a mouthful with this.

If we as believers can ever grasp the Finished work of Christ and who we are in Him; What is ours as sons and daughters of God, we can change the world around us. Our little sphere of influence would become very different.

Thanks for a truly quotable post!

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Thanks. I'd forgotten about that fever.

Any other examples of Jesus speaking to illness? Are all the other cases speaking to demons that cause illness?

Do you speak to demons, when you are trying to heal someone?

Is it incorrect to ask God to heal someone?

Timmy, off the top of my head I can't think of an example that didn't involve a demonic spirit but I will see what I can find later.

Yes, I often speak to demons if I believe I can truly identify that as the problem. Not all sickness is directly demonic in origin. Many times however, you can command the spirit of infirmity to leave and see dramatic results. Most of the time it's a gradual thing not a "miraculous" event.

As for asking god to heal someone? There are simply no examples of this in Scripture. god has given US the commission to bring salvation and healing to the world. It's sort of asking God to do something he has already told us to do. does that make sense?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by LifeUncommon

I am hearing pastors say now that Christians shouldn't suffer illness/pain. The reasoning is that in Heaven, there will be no illness or suffering, we have God's power in us and we are supposed to be building God's kingdom, so that means that we shouldn't accept sickness here in earth.

They say we should tell the devil he is trespassing, remind him that by Jesus's stripes we are healed and claim our healing.

But is this Biblical? I believe The Lord can heal, but he obviously doesn't always. And we are promised short lives full of trouble, and that we will die. How can we reconcile this while thinking we should never be sick?

My false prophet red flags are going up.

Is there something I'm missing scripturally that makes this kind if teaching right?

It's false doctrine, and I believe, very hurtful and harmful to the body of Christ.

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

It's false doctrine, and I believe, very hurtful and harmful to the body of Christ.

I fail to see how believing and acing on the Word of God can possibly be false doctrine?! Healing is as much a part of Scripture as Acts 2:38 and it is anything but hurtful and harmful to our Church and Community.

I admit, I am a bit surprised that such a comment would come from an Apostolic Leader.