9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
Sounds fair.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Someone said on another forum: "The language of 'God sending a delusion' is one thing to sort out--- but the idea that He's telling people BOTH truth and a lie and they need to able to tell the difference because they are both simultaneously from him is another."
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God shall send them strong delusion - Greek: “energy of deceit;” a Hebraism, meaning strong deceit, The agency of God is here distinctly recognised, in accordance with the uniform statements of the Scriptures, respecting evil; compare Exo_7:13; Exo_9:12; Exo_10:1, Exo_10:20, Exo_10:27; Exo_11:10; Exo_14:8. Isa_45:7. On the nature of this agency, see the notes on Joh_12:40. It is not necessary here to suppose that there was any positive influence on the part of God in causing this delusion to come upon them, but all the force of the language will be met, as well as the reasoning of the apostle, by supposing that God withdrew all restraint, and suffered men simply to show that they did not love the truth. God often places people in circumstances to develop their own nature, and it cannot be shown to be wrong that He should do so. If people have no love of the truth, and no desire to be saved, it is not improper that they should be allowed to manifest this. How it happened that they had no “love of the truth,” is a different question, to which the remarks of the apostle do not appertain; compare Rom_9:17-18, note; Rom_1:24, note.
That they should believe a lie - This does not affirm that God wished them to believe a lie; nor that He would not have preferred that they should believe the truth; nor that He exerted any direct agency to cause them to believe a lie. It means merely that He left them, because they did not love the truth, to believe what was false, and what would end in their destruction. Can anyone doubt that this constantly occurs in the world? People are left to believe impostors; to trust to false guides; to rely on unfounded information; to credit those who live to delude and betray the innocent; and to follow those who lead them to ruin. God does not interpose by direct power to preserve them. Can anyone doubt this? Yet this is not especially the doctrine of revelation. The fact pertains just as much to the infidel as it does to the believer in Christianity, and he is just as much bound to explain it as the Christian is. It belongs to our world - to us all - and it should not be charged on Christianity as a doctrine pertaining especially to that system.
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Stan Gleason preaching today at Because of the Times said, "The reason that deception feels like revelation is that they both come from God. Heaven, give us ears to hear!"
So.....
God tells lies? He is a deceiver?
He must read a different Bible...
It makes sense to me. I would need to understand the, "Heaven, give us ears to hear!" As "let me hear the truth so you don't give me over to deception".
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
The only reason God would send/allow delusion, is to bring one to the end of themselves and that their false perception of Him and his love to destruction. Not for the destruction and damnation of the individual. God's judgement burns up falsehood, for the saving of the individual. God is not a monster!!!
Amen, brother!!!
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Crack, even from your perspective (UR) you must acknowledge that God sends delusion, right?
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
I think you are close to some form of something, yourself.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Crack, even from your perspective (UR) you must acknowledge that God sends delusion, right?
Yes, but I qualified it.
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I think you are close to some form of something, yourself.
Thank you, Cindy!
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I listened to the entire LS sermon in this subject last month. He preached it at CLC on a Sunday Morning just a fews weeks ago.
This was also quoted recently on Facebook by a well known female speaker/pastor's wife and stirred quite a debate on her page. My response is entirely based on what I am 100% sure is being propagated recently in the UPC concerning this verse from 2 Thessalonians 2.
It's a defensive move to account for the exodus of preachers and churches. They're staying in it and they've got to explain why, if they have the "Whole Gospel", they're losing numbers. Its has to be that God is sending them strong delusion b/c they don't love "the truth".
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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