Stan Gleason preaching today at Because of the Times said, "The reason that deception feels like revelation is that they both come from God. Heaven, give us ears to hear!"
So.....
God tells lies? He is a deceiver?
He must read a different Bible...
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Stan Gleason preaching today at Because of the Times said, "The reason that deception feels like revelation is that they both come from God. Heaven, give us ears to hear!"
So.....
God tells lies? He is a deceiver?
He must read a different Bible...
You sure about that? Go back and read the story of Moses and Pharoh. Read the NT where the bible talks about people being turned over to a reprobate mind.
..2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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I'm not understanding how deception comes from God...
It starts in the heart of a man who will stand in opposition to God. Then God determining that the individual will not turn from his rebellion turns him over to distruction.
It is a fearful thing to watch. I have seen it. It is heart breaking. It us utterly devistating in its result.
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Stan Gleason preaching today at Because of the Times said, "The reason that deception feels like revelation is that they both come from God. Heaven, give us ears to hear!"
So.....
God tells lies? He is a deceiver?
He must read a different Bible...
I thought you knew your Bible?
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WHO IS BREXIT AND IS HE A TRINITARIAN?- James LeDeay 10/30/16
You sure about that? Go back and read the story of Moses and Pharoh. Read the NT where the bible talks about people being turned over to a reprobate mind.
..2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
...
Someone said on another forum: "The language of 'God sending a delusion' is one thing to sort out--- but the idea that He's telling people BOTH truth and a lie and they need to able to tell the difference because they are both simultaneously from him is another."
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
Someone said on another forum: "The language of 'God sending a delusion' is one thing to sort out--- but the idea that He's telling people BOTH truth and a lie and they need to able to tell the difference because they are both simultaneously from him is another."
I didnt get that from the quote. And further I dont have the context of the quote. I seriously dont think that is what the speaker was saying.
That being said, I have certainly seen preachers who thought they had revelation and I stood in wonder at their delusion.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
You sure about that? Go back and read the story of Moses and Pharoh. Read the NT where the bible talks about people being turned over to a reprobate mind.
..2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
...
Ferd,
I agree with your thesis, it's clear that Paul says that God sends the delusion....my confusion stems from the scripture you referenced juxtaposed against the two I've listed below......
James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Hebrews 6:18 (KJV)
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
In my way of thinking, and the way I interpret these scriptures is God can only send truth, and in order for Him to send a delusion He would be propogating a lie, which is impossible.
A conundrum!
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The only reason God would send/allow delusion, is to bring one to the end of themselves and that their false perception of Him and his love to destruction. Not for the destruction and damnation of the individual. God's judgement burns up falsehood, for the saving of the individual. God is not a monster!!!
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