Can Someone be "Apostolic" and Deny Christ is God?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

That explanation sets the best with me.

Yeah, me too and it meshes with the word more

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Who or what justified God in the Spirit?

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Is that not pertaining to the resurrection?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

One more note, this thought just occured to me but this could reflect the resurrection. Whereas they ridiculed him and his claims to being Messiah and that if he died he would rise again. In being raised from the grave He is vindicated that what he said is true. That even his works, the miraculous works attested to His being who and what he claimed to be

Originally Posted by jfrog

That explanation sets the best with me.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yeah, me too and it meshes with the word more

Hooray!!!

You guys crack me up...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Hooray!!!

You guys crack me up...

People might listen more if ya used the quote option the first time around

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

But the term is defined by what the word actually means.

Paul is speaking of the Mystery of our religion. Godliness is not a mystery.

NET 1Ti 3:16 And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

BBE 1Ti 3:16 And without argument, great is the secret of religion: He who was seen in the flesh, who was given God's approval in the spirit, was seen by the angels, of whom the good news was given among the nations, in whom the world had faith, who was taken up in glory.

GNB 1Ti 3:16 No one can deny how great is the secret of our religion: He appeared in human form, was shown to be right by the Spirit, and was seen by angels. He was preached among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, and was taken up to heaven.

The term Godliness, as used by the translators, is not what we tend to think of the term (being godly)

Thanks for the info. Will check it out some more.

[Precis]

No!! Jesus was never god, never the father, never the holy ghost (holy spirit). Yahushua (jesus) was only the son. Jesus was all flesh,bone and blood. Read god's word (the scriptures). Flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit. Jesus never claimed or stated he was god, only the son of god and son of man. The father which is the holy ghost is just that a spirit and is everywhere at once. Jesus was born of a woman, this makes him have a beginning, he was not spoken into existence,. The spirit that was working through him was not born, it was god himself. There can not be any flesh bone, nor blood in heaven, read the scripture. If you all are going to state that jesus was god because god formed him in the womb then all are as god sinner and saint, flesh and spirit. For scripture states god forms us in the womb. You will have to say moses was god for god worked through or to say was in moses. You will have to state the seventy elders are god as well, for god put his spirit in them. And you will have to call yourself a god if you claim the holy ghost is in you. God works through whom he will. God was in hell does that make those in hell god? All that have god working in their life are sons of god, not god. Yes, those that have god working through them are divine or have the divinity (deity ) working through them. Wake up. To say god is in some person is not truth. To say god moves on a person is truth. God is already in us through us and all around us, he fills the whole universe all the time. That is why jesus and paul states that if we have the selfsame spirit which was in or on or working through the man jesus we have become the sons of god. Making us divinity as jesus was. And i could state the same thing about moses and the seventy elders. That is why we speak in the unknown tongue as god which is the holy ghost speaking through us.

[AreYouReady?]

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

(John 8:58)


Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

(John 14:9)

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I actually deleted the post you referred to because my thoughts started to contradict me.


The same God who created the world, robed Himself in flesh and walked on earth, died for our sins and was risen from the dead by the power of the God who created the world. The Spirit of God that resided in the flesh of the One who walked the earth in a fleshly body dwells in us today.

I believe this and this rests well with my conscience as being Biblical.

The only Name given to this Gentile to call on when refering to God is Jesus!

The Name of "Jesus" has roots that refer to, "God is The One that Saves," or simply, "God Saves."

WOW!

This doesn't read like I typed the above assertion at all.

[Scott Hutchinson]

How could someone be a real Christian and deny that Christ is God ?

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

How could someone be a real Christian and deny that Christ is God ?

My thoughts, exactly.

[Scott Hutchinson]

To deny something like that is like denying the virgin birth somethings are not up for debate.