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10-22-2012, 08:28 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by SeekingTruth
Several of the church members have rightfully been expressing confusion at this whole situation, so the church board is calling a members only meeting to explain the situation. People on here, who do not attend the church, seem to know way more than over half of the congregation at TPC. TPC has been known to keep the congregation in the dark on many things. If you are not for lack of a better term "in crowd," then the general feeling is that you don't have a right to know. They keep all business meetings quiet. It's always been a little off kilter to me. I didn't care to know or be involved in the business side. I just wanted to go to a place to worship and be spiritually fed. I do think in this situation, I have a right to know the truth of what is going on.
There are a lot of things in this church that certain people were allowed to do or get away with, because of money or status. I am not going to address them here, but I hope that once a new pastor is installed, everyone will be treated equally. Continue to pray for TPC and the Black family. I do not know what they are dealing with right now, but I know they need a lot of prayers.
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Pretty much says it.
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10-22-2012, 08:59 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Several of the church members have rightfully been expressing confusion at this whole situation, so the church board is calling a members only meeting to explain the situation.
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That's good to hear. Let every question be answered. Let people emote. The board needs to brace themselves for some anger and people getting things off their chest. They need to not take it personal. They know what they know, they've seen what they've seen. They did the right thing. Their character will stand on it's own and God knows who is in the right here. They need to be prepared to share what lies ahead so that there can be some sense of security that things are moving toward the goal of stability and a new pastor.
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People on here, who do not attend the church, seem to know way more than over half of the congregation at TPC. TPC has been known to keep the congregation in the dark on many things. If you are not for lack of a better term "in crowd," then the general feeling is that you don't have a right to know. They keep all business meetings quiet. It's always been a little off kilter to me. I didn't care to know or be involved in the business side. I just wanted to go to a place to worship and be spiritually fed. I do think in this situation, I have a right to know the truth of what is going on.
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Not unusual for churches that belong to a denomination with an elitist mentality. What works in the politics of the denomination works in the politics of the local church. It's a cultural thing. The culture of the UPC is riddled with the "in crowd" preachers. They actually have, or used to even recently, VIP rooms at the arenas at conference where the "in crowd" would go to for finger foods, pate, shrimp cocktail, etc that only people with special passes were allowed in. A friend of mine was with a guy who had one of these passes and went in the VIP room and a high UPC official asked what he was doing in there and made him feel very uncomfortable for showing up at the country club without a membership. So he left somewhat embarassed. It's stupid to make church on any level exclusive. But that's what kings do---the people are there to serve their needs not the other way around.
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There are a lot of things in this church that certain people were allowed to do or get away with, because of money or status. I am not going to address them here, but I hope that once a new pastor is installed, everyone will be treated equally. Continue to pray for TPC and the Black family. I do not know what they are dealing with right now, but I know they need a lot of prayers.
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Another typical dynamic. Double standards. Holiness and righteousness preached and enforced until someone in the family falls or someone who is a big giver has personal issues, then exceptions are made and a lot of talk about mercy and love and giving people second chances.
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10-22-2012, 09:08 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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"Degree's"???? Assuming not in English. Another auto correct snafu!!! 
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nope. Law.
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10-22-2012, 09:19 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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I am not from the South. Nor, did I receive my degree's from there 
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Should read "I am not from the South. I did not receive my degrees from there."
The word "nor" is unnecessary.
The commas after "nor" and within the word "degrees" are unnecessary.
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10-22-2012, 09:20 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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nope. Law.
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I presume Mosaic Law?
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I'm (sic) not cynical, I just haven't been around long enough to be Jedi mind-tricked by politics as usual. Alas, maybe in a few years I'll be beaten back into the herd. tstew
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10-22-2012, 11:24 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Really, so now, you have access to phones and not just computers... Awesome!
You are wrong. I know how to spell, but thanks anyway.
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Bottom line: brag about your education and you've set yourself up to be nitpicked for the rest of your posting life.  No one will ever miss a typo again!
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10-22-2012, 11:32 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
Define the restoration process you would be happy with.
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10-22-2012, 11:39 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
Graduated with honors with a degee in Murphy's Law.
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I presume Mosaic Law?
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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10-22-2012, 12:06 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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One son in law has already accepted a position in another church out of state. It seems that church is also having it's set of problems stemming from the situation at TPC, not because of the SIL (son in law). I am praying for that church as well.
There is a 3 member board, because that is how TB wanted it to be. When I first started attending church there, there were more board members. None of the board members have missionary families. The person that has been referred to as being on the board, actually has several nephews and his son on the ministerial staff. He is very involved in the church and in leadership, but not a board member. Also, his father is not a missionary. He passed away many, many years ago. His brother is the missionary.
I had stated before that the SILs resigned voluntarily, however that is not the case. They were asked to step down, but were given a severance.
Several of the church members have rightfully been expressing confusion at this whole situation, so the church board is calling a members only meeting to explain the situation. People on here, who do not attend the church, seem to know way more than over half of the congregation at TPC. TPC has been known to keep the congregation in the dark on many things. If you are not for lack of a better term "in crowd," then the general feeling is that you don't have a right to know. They keep all business meetings quiet. It's always been a little off kilter to me. I didn't care to know or be involved in the business side. I just wanted to go to a place to worship and be spiritually fed. I do think in this situation, I have a right to know the truth of what is going on.
There are a lot of things in this church that certain people were allowed to do or get away with, because of money or status. I am not going to address them here, but I hope that once a new pastor is installed, everyone will be treated equally. Continue to pray for TPC and the Black family. I do not know what they are dealing with right now, but I know they need a lot of prayers.
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That is great news that the board is calling a members meeting to explain what is going on. I hope they are transparent and forthcoming at this meeting. It is better to air the unvarnished truth to the members so they can dispense with the rumors, half truths, etc that swirl around in these situations. This will help clear away confusion about the situation. Of course they may try to just address the situation a little without full disclosure hoing that will be enough. That would be a mistake.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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10-22-2012, 12:18 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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AMEN!!! Be very CAREFUL with dealing with this man of God. TB is like King David; he will make amends before God and his people {it's necessary}, and God wil restore-HE YET HAS KINGDOM DESTINY WITH GOD!!! A man may suffer grest consequences for his failures, but God can restore and yet use him {a just man falleth seven times but risest up again}; even in a greater COMPASSIONATE capacity-take diligent care with handling this man and his wife!!!
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Pastors are not kings. That's probably why a lot of Pastors fall to these sort of problems in the first place...thinking and acting like they are Davids and we are his kindom
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