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07-20-2012, 12:05 PM
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Badge of Honor? Trash talking other churches
My friend recently left his very conservative church to attend mine. He has been told for years how bad it is at my church. He has been told we don't have the Spirit and we are backslidden.
His pastor has said things like, you'd be better off backsliding than to go there or you might as well pitch a tent in sodom.
But he has been to my church and he knows the Spirit moves here. In fact it DOESN'T move like that in his former church. His words are, it's like campmeeting every day here
So, he runs into this Pentecostal lady in a nearby city and informs her he now goes to my church. She got disgusted and walked away. He has hjad conversations with her before (she is on his route) and she has warned him against going to my church. She goes to a different church than his former church but they are all x UPCs and mine still is UPC.
This isn't isolated. I have heard from others that go to his former church the were taught that from the Pastor over the pulpit.
Is this common in UC churches?
What are these churches saying about other churches? What are they being told by their pastors?
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07-20-2012, 12:41 PM
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Re: Badge of Honor? Trash talking other churches
There is a local UPC in our town and they claim they are the only ones saved in this community of about 25.000 people.
They have about 15 people attending there right now.
So, that's 15 people saved on an amount of 25.000 people.
That would mean that satan is more powerful than our Lord Jesus Christ.
If they think that, so be it. I have heard all this stuff before.
Don't pay attention to it.
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07-20-2012, 12:57 PM
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Re: Badge of Honor? Trash talking other churches
Does the pastor trash other churches from the pulpit? BTW u sure they are still UPCI?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-20-2012, 01:27 PM
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Re: Badge of Honor? Trash talking other churches
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Originally Posted by Dordrecht
There is a local UPC in our town and they claim they are the only ones saved in this community of about 25.000 people.
They have about 15 people attending there right now.
So, that's 15 people saved on an amount of 25.000 people.
That would mean that satan is more powerful than our Lord Jesus Christ.
If they think that, so be it. I have heard all this stuff before.
Don't pay attention to it.
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So then, most people are saved, right? Otherwise, Satan would be more powerful than Jesus, if 'most' people wound up lost... right?
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07-20-2012, 01:36 PM
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Re: Badge of Honor? Trash talking other churches
Our closest UPCI churches do not fellowship each other at all.
The pastor from the bigger church calls the smaller church weak and says mean things about the pastor over the pulpit... members buy the tapes for the purpose of giving them to family who attend the smaller church who then give them to the pastor... He is a sweet and sensitive man and I know it has to really hurt his feelings. These are not young men... the pastor of the big church is in his late 70s and the other pastor is 60ish and grew up with the older pastors kids who are all preachers.
The kids from the smaller church can not even go to school at the bigger church because they are constantly pressured to 'come to a good church'... The whole thing had the net effect of totally disgusting me.
Biggest difference in standards... the pastor from the small church allows wedding rings and hair bows... everything else is the same.
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07-20-2012, 01:54 PM
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Re: Badge of Honor? Trash talking other churches
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So then, most people are saved, right? Otherwise, Satan would be more powerful than Jesus, if 'most' people wound up lost... right?
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What I am saying is that I highly doubt only 15 people are saved out of a community of 25.000 people, where other churches are active as well.
As a matter of fact there are at least 12 other churches in that community.
Not saying all these people are saved, but don't take my comment out of context just to start a discussion about who's more powerful Jesus or satan.
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07-20-2012, 02:10 PM
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Re: Badge of Honor? Trash talking other churches
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Originally Posted by Titus2woman
Our closest UPCI churches do not fellowship each other at all.
The pastor from the bigger church calls the smaller church weak and says mean things about the pastor over the pulpit... members buy the tapes for the purpose of giving them to family who attend the smaller church who then give them to the pastor... He is a sweet and sensitive man and I know it has to really hurt his feelings. These are not young men... the pastor of the big church is in his late 70s and the other pastor is 60ish and grew up with the older pastors kids who are all preachers.
The kids from the smaller church can not even go to school at the bigger church because they are constantly pressured to 'come to a good church'... The whole thing had the net effect of totally disgusting me.
Biggest difference in standards... the pastor from the small church allows wedding rings and hair bows... everything else is the same.
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What does this "younger" pastor expect? Any man that would allow women to wear wedding rings and hair bows should expect to be osctracized!!! (my tongue is planted firmly in my cheek. No wonder why a lot of people consider old time Pentecost cultic)
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-20-2012, 02:16 PM
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Re: Badge of Honor? Trash talking other churches
Hmm, sounds similar to things I've heard years ago about the church I'm now part of. "They're loose as a goose and don't have holiness standards." Etc, etc when in fact the retired pastor and his wife are far more genuine and whole than the very people I heard make those comments.
Are all UCs like that? No. And it's those who can keep their opinions to themselves that I have more respect for.
Oh, the drama!
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07-20-2012, 02:19 PM
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Re: Badge of Honor? Trash talking other churches
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Originally Posted by Titus2woman
Our closest UPCI churches do not fellowship each other at all.
The pastor from the bigger church calls the smaller church weak and says mean things about the pastor over the pulpit... members buy the tapes for the purpose of giving them to family who attend the smaller church who then give them to the pastor... He is a sweet and sensitive man and I know it has to really hurt his feelings. These are not young men... the pastor of the big church is in his late 70s and the other pastor is 60ish and grew up with the older pastors kids who are all preachers.
The kids from the smaller church can not even go to school at the bigger church because they are constantly pressured to 'come to a good church'... The whole thing had the net effect of totally disgusting me.
Biggest difference in standards... the pastor from the small church allows wedding rings and hair bows... everything else is the same.
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Are you kidding me??? Ha! Sounds like we were part of the same section at one time.
What a joke and poor excuse of a "Christian" they are!
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07-20-2012, 02:30 PM
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Re: Badge of Honor? Trash talking other churches
There are a few that I have heard spoken of in this fashion, however, facts were verified first rather than just taking one or two people's word for the situation. There are those that I will happily call loose, but I am actually speaking from personal knowledge and not hearsay. However, I still love and am friendly with the people that I see from those churches, and I do not talk of them constantly (why should I when there are much better things to do with my mouth...like eat).
My youngest brother and I do not agree on certain standards even if we agree on the principles. However, we both love and enjoy being around one another, and in general will refrain from antagonizing one another (although there has been...'intense fellowship' on occasion).
The whole issue revolves around treating people with respect, whether or not we actually respect that person.
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