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Hoovie · #21 06-13-2012, 09:29 PM

Prayer is not about primarily about getting stuff we want at all... It's about submission, conforming our minds and hearts and yielding to and discovering the will of God.

Margies3 · #22 06-13-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Prayer is not about primarily about getting stuff we want at all... It's about submission, conforming our minds and hearts and yielding to and discovering the will of God.

Hoovie · #23 06-13-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

He is formerly associated with the United Pentecostal Church.

http://www.meetup.com/ARfreethinkers/events/47453942/

From this link...

"Jerry also holds the distinction of being the first graduate of, and a spokesman for The Clergy Project... "

Makes me wonder if Jerry had any formal theological training while he "believed".

ReformedDave · #24 06-13-2012, 09:37 PM

That some succumb to atheism is not a surprise. If one has actually contemplated the hard questions and arguments against God and has not had at least a pause I don't think that person understands the arguments or has analyzed them in any depth. Kant, Hume, Nietzsche, etc- a formidable bunch!

Hoovie · #25 06-13-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

My former spouse told our children that he was agnostic now.

He was a licensed minister with UPC.

I am sorry to hear that, RG.

I think most who claim atheism are agnostic.

In my experience, agnosticism is saying, "Who knows if there is a God? It's so complicated that I can't begin to understand "God", much less be held responsible for His moral code."

While they dare not claim there is no God, they recoil at the notion the scriptures may be inerrant and sacred.

Nitehawk013 · #26 06-14-2012, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

I am sorry to hear that, RG.

I think most who claim atheism are agnostic.

In my experience, agnosticism is saying, "Who knows if there is a God? It's so complicated that I can't begin to understand "God", much less be held responsible for His moral code."

While they dare not claim there is no God, they recoil at the notion the scriptures may be inerrant and sacred.

That right there is a big issue. Even for believers. I don't believe there to be any serious, disqualifying errors, but I do see things in our scripture that don't agree at times. And I see people go to incredible legths to either ignore them or explain them away.

Not to mention, I am not sure taht what we call "canon" is truly the only inspired books God intended.

So there is this "space" where all these questions exist, and yet no one seems capable fo giving sure fire solid answers outside of dogma. When dogma and such is no longer enough, the logical next step is to question whether any of it is really true and solid, and then you can take the next step after that in to Agnostiscism.

HolyFire · #27 06-14-2012, 06:42 AM

I was doing something in the kitchen yesterday and I had two thoughts:

1. Maybe God turned this guy over to a delusion?

2. Why do all the men on that website look like pedophiles?

AreYouReady? · #28 06-14-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

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The article did have somethings right...

"I was the one on the right track, and you were the ones that were going to burn in hell," MacBain told the crowd. "And I'm happy to say as I stand before you right now, I'm going to burn with you."

The fact that the statement "I'm going to burn with you" was made indicates to me that he is either saying this tic or he really does believe that he will "burn with you". True atheists will not say something like that outside of tic because they do not believe in any supreme being of any sort, or any religion.

But if he was not tic, then what a scary place for him to be... in defiance of his acknowledgment of God in that he knows he will burn in hell.

I feel very badly for this man if he truly disavows Christ and is just not going through emotional discouragement. Some people just do not know how to tell the difference between the two.

Michael The Disciple · #29 06-14-2012, 12:41 PM

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From the article:
“The next big issue was the failure of prayer,” DeWitt said. “People are passing away, whenever we pray for them to live. People aren’t getting jobs, whenever we pray for them to have jobs.
“The harder we tried to alleviate suffering within our church, it seemed like the worse things got,” he said. “It didn’t seem like prayer made any difference. It just continually crushed my heart.”

We must remember there are conditions to prayer. From the pen of the Apostle John:

22 And whatsoever we ask , we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22

When obedience and holiness are constantly attacked as legalism it probably ruins the faith of many.

Hoovie · #30 06-14-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

We must remember there are conditions to prayer. From the pen of the Apostle John:

22 And whatsoever we ask , we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22

When obedience and holiness are constantly attacked as legalism it probably ruins the faith of many.

"those things that are pleasing in his sight" includes not asking amiss and knowing the will of God... For me that is often the most challenging.

We can rest assured he is faithful, and be confident in His perfection. In this, I find peace.