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06-13-2012, 12:12 AM
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Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
The only problem I have with cases like this is that it is close to IMPOSSIBLE to prove that the person left alive is telling a lie or the truth.
Our laws make it better to kill and leave no witnesses than so that "justice" is not interfered with.
If it happened to my child, I'd have the same response as this father-- but how do we know that this is what happened?
Does the accused and executed have any rights? Who speaks for his/her spilled blood?
A person can kill another person and say whatever-- if there aren't any witnesses, who is the wiser?
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I agree...how do we know the father's story was true?
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06-13-2012, 05:38 AM
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Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
JD was busy giving the perp the benefit of the doubt so I was being sarcastic (I assumed it was obvious that was the case).
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You are right. After scrolling up, I realized you were being facetious in regards to JD's comments. I should have logged back in and made the correction. But, since Hoove made the consent comment as well, I thought I'd might as well let you correct us both.
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06-13-2012, 07:53 AM
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Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
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Is it "safe"?
I am just wary of situations like this.
At the expense of being gross, I hope there is some kind of proof that solidifies without doubt that what the father said happened really happened.
If there isn't any proof to back up his claim, imagine the implications of having a society where we can kill each other at will, and as long as there aren't any witnesses, and as long as we can come up with the right story, we can kill with impunity.
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In your liberal worldview, you must consider God made a mistake when he annointed Moses. Moses was also hero just protecting one of his Jewish brothers.
Just for the record. They were after Moses to kill him without a trial.
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06-13-2012, 07:56 AM
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Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Is it "safe"?
I am just wary of situations like this.
At the expense of being gross, I hope there is some kind of proof that solidifies without doubt that what the father said happened really happened.
If there isn't any proof to back up his claim, imagine the implications of having a society where we can kill each other at will, and as long as there aren't any witnesses, and as long as we can come up with the right story, we can kill with impunity.
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Abortion. The liberals pretend to be all up with righteous indigantion here. Does the umborn baby have rights?
Show me using only facts from biology that abortion is not vigilantism.
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06-13-2012, 08:50 AM
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Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
This is a horrible situation, I cannot imagine such a thing happening. Yet, it does happened in this fallen world that we live. All sin is an attempted escape from emptiness, and this sin is unfortunately, particularly heinous. I do not want to imagine what I would have done.
Hopefully, the police can prove the father's story with evidence at the scene.
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06-13-2012, 10:26 AM
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Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
Just saw the Sheriff in Shiner saying the man has a lot of local support for protecting his daughter. Sounded like he supported him as well. My husband said he is understanding the predator was from Mexico and could possibly be an illegal.
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06-13-2012, 10:40 AM
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Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Just saw the Sheriff in Shiner saying the man has a lot of local support for protecting his daughter. Sounded like he supported him as well. My husband said he is understanding the predator was from Mexico and could possibly be an illegal.
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Shhhhh...... Although that is still being verified, your not allowed to even speculate on it!
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06-13-2012, 10:57 AM
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Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I agree...how do we know the father's story was true?
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The child's screams support the idea of him running to her rescue; I would wager others saw a glimpse of what happened, as I'm certain others ran to see what was going on, too. Further, the child's account will probably support his account, but our curiosity won't be satisfied on that note. Such testimony is normally kept private.
If local law enforcement is sure that the father is being truthful (no doubt based on some of the above) AND there is nothing that contradicts his story, it will be dropped and rightfully so.
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06-13-2012, 11:31 AM
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Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
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I agree...how do we know the father's story was true?
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Wait a minute. The burden of proof is not on the father. If someone/police suspect foul play, in leu of the molesting story, they would need to show evidence and explain how the father would gain by murdering this man.
There is no choice other than accept the fathers' story, unless there is real evidence to the contrary.
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06-13-2012, 11:42 AM
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Re: Vigilantism or a Father protecting his child?
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Wait a minute. The burden of proof is not on the father. If someone/police suspect foul play, in leu of the molesting story, they would need to show evidence and explain how the father would gain by murdering this man.
There is no choice other than accept the fathers' story, unless there is real evidence to the contrary.
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This is a case the leftist law firms would like to call a classic hate crime case. Double punishment for racist hate killing.
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