Hmm, and yet you are "born again;"
have "changed your mind."
Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.
Is it like a requirement, I guess, that in order
to follow Christ, one must renounce Christianity?
No. Christianity is, by definition, following Christ. In English, that is. Not sure about your language, which I'm trying to learn but am having trouble.
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The activities, workings, and dealings of the misguided Shiites and their followers are no concern of mine. Shiites are like many on this board - after being handed a book and a way they choose instead to follow men's (mis)interpretations of it.
Thankfully they are a small (but somehow troublesome) minority.
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"Iran’s ayatollahs are showing frustration with Iranians leaving Islam for Christianity in large numbers despite the threat of execution for apostasy," reports Reza Khalili on The Daily Caller website.
"A former intelligence officer in the Guards, who has now defected to Europe, told The Daily Caller that the country’s regime has ordered the domestic intelligence apparatus to use drastic measures to stop them — including imprisonment, torture and the mass-burning of Bibles.
According to a report by Mohammad Reza Modaber, the chief editor of the Christian Farsi language Mohabat News, two Christian converts in their mid 20s were arrested in April after intelligence agents entered their home in Tehran without warrants.
One agent, responding to the mother of the arrested who asked where they were taking her children and why, responded mockingly, 'Tell Jesus to come and rescue them.'
TheDC’s source who was formerly an Iranian intelligence officer indicated that in the city of Shiraz alone, with a population of over one million, there were 30,000 files at the intelligence headquarters on individuals who had converted to Christianity...."
Namecalling by the misguided is a smokescreen to hide the impotence of empty words and beliefs.
There is never a need to fear the powerless. I do, from knowing this, wish to discern as to why Islam is so feared.
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Ah. Sadly, as has been demon-strated in a post above, we in the West have pretty much rejected that God. Apparently He has a problem with instant gratification; go figure. The justest word you will likely get over here is "terrorist," Oh- "moose-lem."
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To deny that Jesus prayed and fasted and not to himself is to deny the First Law - that God is One and is not shared. Authority is in Allah only, not in the New Testament and for certain not in the council of Nicea who gathered all writings together and burned what they wished / selected what they wished to be included in it.
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I can pray to Jesus because he is God made manifest in human flesh. To deny this is to deny Christ and the authority of the New Testament. I have never believed in and continually reject the Romish concept of a Trinity in the Godhead.
There is never a need to fear the powerless. I do, from knowing this, wish to discern as to why Islam is so feared.
I think because it is "the unknown" (Hades) to most.
Our impressions of Islam come from Fox news;
nevermind all that "Jews and Muslims living together
peacefully" that is still, even now, pretty common.
No. Christianity is, by definition, following Christ. In English, that is. Not sure about your language, which I'm trying to learn but am having trouble.
Ah, I think this def is assumed, but would not be Christ's definition.
Christianity is a religion that will pass away, while Christ will remain, imo.
Christianity is man's administration of Christ, usurped by those in power,
and faithfully (or not) followed by well meaning people, as best they are able.
I am a Christian, nominally, but strangely I find the least observance of Christ in Christianity. My guess is that satan attacks it most strongly since it bears Christ's Name?
"Christ I like; Christians, not so much."
paraphrased from Gandhi
Of course, I think it should be understood that
like any other group, we judge by what we see and hear,
when most Christians are not seen nor heard.
Ah, I think this def is assumed, but would not be Christ's definition.
Christianity is a religion that will pass away, while Christ will remain, imo.
Christianity is man's administration of Christ, usurped by those in power,
and faithfully (or not) followed by well meaning people, as best they are able.
I am a Christian, nominally, but strangely I find the least observance of Christ in Christianity. My guess is that satan attacks it most strongly since it bears Christ's Name?
"Christ I like; Christians, not so much."
paraphrased from Gandhi
Of course, I think it should be understood that
like any other group, we judge by what we see and hear,
when most Christians are not seen nor heard.
What's Christ's definition of Christianity, then, if not "following Me"?
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What's Christ's definition of Christianity, then, if not "following Me"?
Christ was a Jew? You're asking me to guess here,
when my feeling is that your def of Christianity
is all that matters. My guess would be that "follow Me"
needn't entail a religion, and Christ's treatment of the
Jewish "religion,"--as separated from the race, or culture,
bears this out.
You reflect this in your opinion of the Christian religion perfectly, imo.
Christ was a Jew? You're asking me to guess here,
when my feeling is that your def of Christianity
is all that matters. My guess would be that "follow Me"
needn't entail a religion, and Christ's treatment of the
Jewish "religion,"--as separated from the race, or culture,
bears this out.
Not really. It merely shows that Jesus had a low view of either one particular religion or certain people's way of observing their religion. Most likely the latter, IMO.
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You reflect this in your opinion of the Christian religion perfectly, imo.
You paraphrased Gandhi's famous line, and someone a while back (was it you?) supposed that I feel that way, too. Actually, not so much! For two reasons:
1. Jesus is quoted saying a lot of very good, wise words. Most of what He said, I think, falls into that category. But He also is said to have said some very unwise, even atrocious things! Things that no mere mortal would ever think to say, and expect to be loved and admired for them. "Love me more than you love your family." "If you don't believe, you are condemned." "If you forsake your family for my name's sake, you will be rewarded with eternal life." "Take no thought for the morrow; for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself." "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." So, my opinion of Jesus is, shall we say, mixed?
2. I love Christians! Most of them are good, kind, loving people. Some of them aren't so nice, but those are in the minority, in my experience. My theory is that if you are already a jerk when you join one of the more literalist sects of Christianity (it happens also in more liberal sects, but not as often, IMO), there is a good chance that you will use your new "faith" to become even more of a jerk. If you're already a good person, you may use it to become better.
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