Another Example of Faith Healing.

[bbyrd009]

Hmm, as long as no one dies, I agree with you.

[bbyrd009]

Proverbs 18:9 Amplified

"He who is loose and slack in his work is brother to him who is a destroyer and [a]he who does not use his endeavors to heal himself is brother to him who commits suicide."

"Endeavors" here being translated "go to the Doctor," I guess. "Doing what might be considered normal in the circumstances." See commentaries.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Jay

I believe that many times healing is denied because of rejected truth. God is not obligated to hear the prayers of anyone but His own. When He does it is only from His great mercy. I am not saying that such is the case here, but God does not indulge us in foolishness. Further, just because one rejects medical treatment does not a suicide make.

I've wondered if healing is not manifest maybe because
it just isn't God's will, in many cases? What do you think?
In other words, people die, every day, and it is just your time to die?

[Jay]

The word 'waster' in that passage in the KJV means 'destroyer'. Thus it could read, the lazy is brother to the destroyer. This has nothing to do with the topic under discussion, and the Amplified is not a word for word translation, and therefore is not always reliable.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I've wondered if healing is not manifest maybe because
it just isn't God's will, in many cases? What do you think?
In other words, people die, every day, and it is just your time to die?

This can happen as well. That is not for me to know or judge for certain. However, I have no issue with those who choose to not visit the physician but choose to rely on God for their healing. I do not believe that they should be prosecuted for a crime. This was the decision of the family. When the government decided that we could be forced into treating family members, they overstepped their authority. Sadly we have been in this position for too many years.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Jay

This can happen as well. That is not for me to know or judge for certain. However, I have no issue with those who choose to not visit the physician but choose to rely on God for their healing. I do not believe that they should be prosecuted for a crime. This was the decision of the family. When the government decided that we could be forced into treating family members, they overstepped their authority. Sadly we have been in this position for too many years.

Ya, I have to agree with you; after all, even if
you're deathly ill, and say, refuse to see a Doctor,
you aren't going to die unless it's God's will, right?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Ya, I have to agree with you; after all, even if
you're deathly ill, and say, refuse to see a Doctor,
you aren't going to die unless it's God's will, right?

Your sounding like Timmy now.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Jay

This can happen as well. That is not for me to know or judge for certain. However, I have no issue with those who choose to not visit the physician but choose to rely on God for their healing. I do not believe that they should be prosecuted for a crime. This was the decision of the family. When the government decided that we could be forced into treating family members, they overstepped their authority. Sadly we have been in this position for too many years.

I believe in SOME cases they should be. It is one thing if an adult makes a decision not to seek medical attention because of faith issues but it is quite another for an adult to withhold treatment (such as an insulin shot) from a kid who has no say in the matter.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Proverbs 18:9 Amplified

"He who is loose and slack in his work is brother to him who is a destroyer and [a]he who does not use his endeavors to heal himself is brother to him who commits suicide."

"Endeavors" here being translated "go to the Doctor," I guess. "Doing what might be considered normal in the circumstances." See commentaries.

But seems to agree with most of us, @
"Believe and understand that healings
occur by faith; but if you need a Dr go see a Dr?"

Something this illuminates, to me,
is just what our def of "faith" is here;
to us, it's an effort we make with our...intellect?
when "faith" is more reflected in the actions
that led up to needing the healing in the first place.

Maybe not always? A cigarette smoker believing for
a cure for lung cancer being the obvious, but there are
many similar ways to manifest what you don't want
whose connections are not as clear, imo.

Eat CAFO meat, deny yourself a vital
couple nutrients (Omega3 and D),
entertain the host of ills, while
"believing" for their cure?

A list of a hundred would be cool : )

2) ...

(the more...obscure the better?)

oh, wrong thread...

[bishoph]

I am a firm believer in divine healing.......but I have said for years there is a fine line between stupidity and faith. God gets NO glory when someone dies/suffers needlessly when medical options that can mend and stop the suffering are available. It was God who gave men the intelligence and the know how to develop treatments for illness and we make a mockery of God and the church when we refuse basic help....imho