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02-25-2012, 08:54 PM
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UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
David Bernard attended a meeting Co-hosted by Jack Hayford last month.
One historian from Regent University stated, "“This is an historic day. The divisions of a hundred years ago were laid aside today in a wonderful spirit of unity.”
For me, giving official recognition to our brethren in other denominations can't come soon enough! What say you? This meeting was with both Pentecostal and non Pentecostal Leaders.
Here is an excerpt and a link.
LOS ANGELES, CA— On January 13, 2012, an historic meeting of leaders took place at the Central Offices of the Foursquare Church. Welcomed by president Glenn Burris, 18 top leaders of denominations committed to a common emphasis on holiness in the 21st century met as part of the Wesleyan Holiness Consortium (WHC). These leaders represent 13 denominations whose roots are common in the Wesleyan Holiness movement. The WHC was formed in 2006 at a meeting of these leaders in Dallas. Since then, the WHC has expanded in influence involving regional leaders and thousands of pastors from these denominations across the United States and in South America. The denominations represented at this meeting included: Assemblies of God, Brethren in Christ, Church of God/Anderson, Evangelical, Foursquare, Free Methodist, Grace Communion International, Nazarene, Pentecostal Holiness, Salvation Army, United Methodist, United Pentecostal, Wesleyan.
http://holinessandunity.wikispaces.c...e_Jan%2013.pdf
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02-25-2012, 09:23 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
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02-25-2012, 09:42 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
I wish that I could could say that I was shocked. Considering that so many of them look and dress like the world, I am not particularly impressed.
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02-25-2012, 10:45 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
David Bernard attended a meeting Co-hosted by Jack Hayford last month.
One historian from Regent University stated, "“This is an historic day. The divisions of a hundred years ago were laid aside today in a wonderful spirit of unity.”
For me, giving official recognition to our brethren in other denominations can't come soon enough! What say you? This meeting was with both Pentecostal and non Pentecostal Leaders.
Here is an excerpt and a link.
LOS ANGELES, CA— On January 13, 2012, an historic meeting of leaders took place at the Central Offices of the Foursquare Church. Welcomed by president Glenn Burris, 18 top leaders of denominations committed to a common emphasis on holiness in the 21st century met as part of the Wesleyan Holiness Consortium (WHC). These leaders represent 13 denominations whose roots are common in the Wesleyan Holiness movement. The WHC was formed in 2006 at a meeting of these leaders in Dallas. Since then, the WHC has expanded in influence involving regional leaders and thousands of pastors from these denominations across the United States and in South America. The denominations represented at this meeting included: Assemblies of God, Brethren in Christ, Church of God/Anderson, Evangelical, Foursquare, Free Methodist, Grace Communion International, Nazarene, Pentecostal Holiness, Salvation Army, United Methodist, United Pentecostal, Wesleyan.
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DB's in big trouble now!!!! All of that great ultra con pacifying stuff doesn't mean a thing if he has the nerve to associate with trinitarians as if they were brothers in the Lord!!!!! Why everybody knows they serve a "different God". In fact THREE gods! (I said this to beat the cons and ultra cons to it although I see Jay has already noted some of that group considered holiness have not set their holiness zone to the mid 40's-50's like the UPC) 
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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02-26-2012, 04:24 AM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
Times, they are a changing. First the Christmas beards, now a nod toward the past.
The church I'm now attending is a very unusual Apostolic church. There are more people in church who don't follow the "AI" then there are that do. The reason for this is there are more new people from all the various ministries then there are old timers to peer pressure them. And the young people in the church that do know the standards, dress so cute and modern, that they just look adorable.
People comfortably attend the church as they are. Somewhere along the line, possibly in a new converts class, standards are taught, but they are not preached from the pulpit.
The platform definately looks the part, as do the ushers and greeters, but the most of the congregation come as they are.
It is a praying, fasting, soul winning church, with a mightly move of the Holy Ghost, people being baptized and being filled with the Spirit, Gifts of the Spirit in operation. Being part of this Church is bringing joy back into my soul.
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02-26-2012, 11:38 AM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
Very interesting and encouraging.... Nice to see a little bit of Christian unity happening, for once 
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02-26-2012, 12:09 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
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Originally Posted by Amanah
Times, they are a changing. First the Christmas beards, now a nod toward the past.
The church I'm now attending is a very unusual Apostolic church. There are more people in church who don't follow the "AI" then there are that do. The reason for this is there are more new people from all the various ministries then there are old timers to peer pressure them. And the young people in the church that do know the standards, dress so cute and modern, that they just look adorable.
People comfortably attend the church as they are. Somewhere along the line, possibly in a new converts class, standards are taught, but they are not preached from the pulpit.
The platform definately looks the part, as do the ushers and greeters, but the most of the congregation come as they are.
It is a praying, fasting, soul winning church, with a mightly move of the Holy Ghost, people being baptized and being filled with the Spirit, Gifts of the Spirit in operation. Being part of this Church is bringing joy back into my soul.
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That's awesome Amanah!! Praise God for those who have found a way to have unity of the brethren, and continue in the spirit of the early church!
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02-26-2012, 02:15 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
Why would Bernard associate with those who preach a pagan, polytheistic message....according to him.
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02-26-2012, 04:37 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
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Why would Bernard associate with those who preach a pagan, polytheistic message....according to him.
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Only one possible answer. They must be "looking our way!"  
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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02-26-2012, 06:40 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
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Originally Posted by seekerman
Why would Bernard associate with those who preach a pagan, polytheistic message....according to him.
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David Bernard belikeves that Trinitarians and OPs worship the same Jesus, we just have different opinions on whether He is 1 of 3 or just 1 of 1 persons
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