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RandyWayne · #41 10-12-2011, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Apostolics Pentecostals now hit-men for corporations. Unbelievable!! If something like this passes it will be interesting to see how large the exodus will be. For me I will not help finance a UPC military Jesus.

Our battles are spiritual.

Something like this?

aegsm76 · #42 10-13-2011, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Apostolics Pentecostals now hit-men for corporations. Unbelievable!! If something like this passes it will be interesting to see how large the exodus will be. For me I will not help finance a UPC military Jesus.

Our battles are spiritual.

Tell that to Cornelius...

deacon blues · #43 10-13-2011, 06:45 AM

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Just to throw into the mix here:

So are we saying that christian soldiers should kill other soldiers from other countries even though the enemy soldier might be a christian too?

If we have Christians in our military, there's no doubt that other countries also have Christians in their military. So what then happens? Christians end up killing other of God's children for the kingdoms of this world? hmmm

Honestly, I don't think this issue is as clear cut as some it. I think each man must be persuaded in his own mind...

There were Christian men, no doubt, that were German soldiers in the Wehrmacht during WWII. There were Christian men in the various militaries of the Allied Forces. Fighting Germany and destroying the Nazi regime was the absolute right thing to do. Jesus did not preach pacifism. There is a just cause for war.

deacon blues · #44 10-13-2011, 07:16 AM

Consider this from Luke 22:

35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Jesus told them to buy a sword! Why? To slice tomatoes?

deacon blues · #45 10-13-2011, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Apostolics Pentecostals now hit-men for corporations. Unbelievable!! If something like this passes it will be interesting to see how large the exodus will be. For me I will not help finance a UPC military Jesus.

Our battles are spiritual.

There won't be an "exodus". We have gone generations without this "standard" being preached or enforced. We have generations of Pentecostals who have honorably served our country and even have killed in defense of our nation. Why we even have preachers sons who have served in combat. What would you have done if you had a chance to take out Hitler in midst of the Holocaust? Would you have stopped the terrorists that committed the acts of violence on 9/11?

Carpenter · #46 10-13-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

There won't be an "exodus". We have gone generations without this "standard" being preached or enforced. We have generations of Pentecostals who have honorably served our country and even have killed in defense of our nation. Why we even have preachers sons who have served in combat. What would you have done if you had a chance to take out Hitler in midst of the Holocaust? Would you have stopped the terrorists that committed the acts of violence on 9/11?

I agree with this. What I find interesting is how they justified the statement and belief with scripture. It is proof that they are guilty of establishing a standard and then finding scripture to support it instead of setting a foundation of scripture then building their standard.

I asked a pastor's wife yesterday about the standard, guideline, whatever it is, and she didn't even know it was in the manual, so I think it is pretty much a non issue.

RandyWayne · #47 10-13-2011, 11:09 AM

Perhaps the main reason (and I am not joking here) it is ever brought up is because serving in the military would require missing church.

Rudy · #48 10-13-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

There won't be an "exodus". We have gone generations without this "standard" being preached or enforced. We have generations of Pentecostals who have honorably served our country and even have killed in defense of our nation. Why we even have preachers sons who have served in combat. What would you have done if you had a chance to take out Hitler in midst of the Holocaust? Would you have stopped the terrorists that committed the acts of violence on 9/11?

It was God who instituted Hitler. I would dare not consider taking out Governing Authority.

RandyWayne · #49 10-13-2011, 09:36 PM

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It was God who instituted Hitler. I would dare not consider taking out Governing Authority.

So, if God instituted Hitler, that must mean He is micromanaging on such a small scale that HE chose what you had for lunch today -not you.

Rudy · #50 10-13-2011, 09:44 PM

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So, if God instituted Hitler, that must mean He is micromanaging on such a small scale that HE chose what you had for lunch today -not you.

Romans 13
Submit to Government

1.Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.