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[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Would that include Catholic priests and nuns, Buddists, JW's, Mormons?

I am not suprised by your tactic to divert the attention off of those that had repented of their sins and loved not their lives unto death. You obviously do not read "Voice of the Martyrs" which do not include any of the bunch you've mentioned.

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I know you didn't ask me but....

I heard a preacher the other day say there are people in each religious system, including the ones you named above, that are in a passionate pursuit to have a true and deep relationship with God and will do anything to please Him. I see this in scripture and as such I believe that there are some in the catagories you mentioned that will be saved and there are some in the oneness ranks that won't be saved.

I can't help but think of the Ethiopian out in the middle of the desert and the H.G.sends him a messenger of salvation. Also Cornelius a man who feared God and prayed always was sent an angel to direct him to Peter.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Would that include Catholic priests and nuns, Buddists, JW's, Mormons?

For me, it would include everyone that the Savior, Jesus Christ, has saved. Since He is the Savior, it really is His decision as to who is saved or not.

Deuteronomy 7:6-9; Matthew 24:31; John 10:16, John 10:28-29; Romans 8:30, Romans 11:5-6; Hebrews 7:25, and etc.

[commonsense]

I concur.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by pelathais

For me, it would include everyone that the Savior, Jesus Christ, has saved. Since He is the Savior, it really is His decision as to who is saved or not.

Deuteronomy 7:6-9; Matthew 24:31; John 10:16, John 10:28-29; Romans 8:30, Romans 11:5-6; Hebrews 7:25, and etc.

Thus Jesus died in vain ignorance will save more than He. The passages you cite have nothing to do with the subject at hand. No one is saved in this dispensation without remission of sins and ONLY in water baptism in Jesus Name are the sins of the penitent remitted.

[Sabby]

Bro. Epley,

You are as convinced of your opinion of "remission" being applied as I am that forgiveness was given at the cross. Jesus Christ, as my ascended High Priest, at the moment of my repentance/dying to sin, applied His own blood to the heavenly altar for my sins. My atonement is complete in HIM, as sacrifice and intercessor. This is my one-step position.

Additionally, do you understand what a synthetic parallelism is? If you do you would understand that John 3 and the description of the new birth has nothing to do with WATER baptism....

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Thus Jesus died in vain ignorance will save more than He.

I'm having some difficulty understanding what you meant to say here. I don't think you intended to say that Jesus "died in vain ignorance."

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The passages you cite have nothing to do with the subject at hand. No one is saved in this dispensation without remission of sins and ONLY in water baptism in Jesus Name are the sins of the penitent remitted.

The passages I cited have a direct bearing on this discussion for Easty had said:

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Sad that a God would send someone to hell after being martyred who had not received the fullness of Acts 2:38 ; I find it very difficult to believe that God isn't loving enough to allow them to at least be spared before they perish.

... to which you queried:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Would that include Catholic priests and nuns, Buddists, JW's, Mormons?

And so, I humbly offered: Deuteronomy 7:6-9; Matthew 24:31; John 10:16, John 10:28-29; Romans 8:30, Romans 11:5-6; Hebrews 7:25.

Deuteronomy 7:9 "Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations..."

This is the only passage (and it is only one verse out the passage I cited from Deuteronomy) that has any "Dispensational" bearing - the "keep his commandments" part is obviously a reference to the works of the Law.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

... No one is saved in this dispensation without remission of sins and ONLY in water baptism in Jesus Name are the sins of the penitent remitted.

Acts 10:43: To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Apparently Peter felt that the remission of sins came about through one's faith and belief in Jesus Christ. The fact that the Holy Ghost fell immediately after this was said (and BEFORE water baptism) filling Peter's audience would indicate that God Himself was satisfied with the blood shed at Calvary and the people's sincere faith in the efficacy of that blood. I'll go with what the Holy Ghost did here along with Peter's preaching.

And, for whatever reason, the "remission of sins" appears to have been something of a "trans-dispensational" phenomena - at least according to Peter's understanding of "the prophets."

See also Paul's discussion in Romans 3:24-26... "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

We are saved by HIS obedience, not because we were clever enough to figure out something that had supposedly eluded the Christian martyrs over the ages.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Andrew Urshan described God as a tri-unity, CWOTC, page 74

At IBC I asked Bro. NA Urshan (his son) about that when he visited as the General Superintendent. He gave a somewhat evasive answer.

They also edited that statement out of later editions of his book, which is kind of like raping a persons legacy after they are dead.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Sarah

I really believe Jim Yohe believed the 'Acts 2:38' message was the only way to be saved until the day he died...

That I can agree on. He was anti-standards though. And even with the three step stuff he became less militant later in life... but he was still a 3 stepper.