Piper's Response to President Obama on Abortion

[Seascapes]

Originally Posted by Whoop Harted

It is true.

Not it is not true, it is a lie.

[Orthodoxy]

Why does it bother pro-choicers to abort one "fetus" in a pair of twins, but to keep the other "fetus"? Because they know deep down that it's ethically wrong.
See article:

http://www.slate.com/id/2301322/

[Orthodoxy]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

I don't know that, because it is not true. That is the problem with folks, they make up lies and tell them for the truth. Don't bring me in on it. Not one Democrat that I know believes in abortion as a method of birth control. That is what all the republicans holler about, and it is not true.

It's not a Democrat/Republican issue. Don't get me started on so-called "pro-life" Republicans. I am not loyal to either party.

For example, John McCain and GWB call themselves pro-life, but their record shows that they were not 100% pro-life. The GOP controlled the entire central government for six years, but Roe v. Wade is still intact. Bush did not seek to aggressively use his platform to reverse abortion-on-demand. He also considers abortion permissible in certain situations.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

I don't know that, because it is not true. That is the problem with folks, they make up lies and tell them for the truth. Don't bring me in on it. Not one Democrat that I know believes in abortion as a method of birth control. That is what all the republicans holler about, and it is not true.

Obama does.
Obama pushes abortion as birth control and progressive commie population control.



Proof that literate minds can understand:

"It is my conviction that taxpayer funds should not be used to pay for abortions or advocate or actively promote abortion, either here or abroad," George W. Bush wrote in a memo to the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) in 2001.

Jan. 23, 2009
President Obama signed an executive order today reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions, as first reported by ABC News.

First thing Obama did when he took office is open the cash drawer to pay for abortions in other countries.

Good old fashioned abortion in the tool box for birth control.

[deafdriscoll]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

This was President Obama's complete statement that was made January 2011

Obama's statement:
Today marks the 38th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that protects women's health and reproductive freedom, and affirms a fundamental principle: that government should not intrude on private family matters.

I am committed to protecting this constitutional right. I also remain committed to policies, initiatives, and programs that help prevent unintended pregnancies, support pregnant women and mothers, encourage healthy relationships, and promote adoption.

And on this anniversary, I hope that we will recommit ourselves more broadly to ensuring that our daughters have the same rights, the same freedoms, and the same opportunities as our sons to fulfill their dreams.

end of statement.
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President Obama's statement is that he will uphold the Constitution, and is committed to policies, initiatives, and programs that help prevent unintended pregnancies from ever happening. He supports pregnant women and mothers, encourage healthy relationships, and promote adoption. To me this does not sound like a statement that wants to kill babies. He wants to prevent the conception of unintended babies. His last comment was that he believed that our sons and daughters should have the same freedoms, opportunities and rights...If this was said by any other person, you probably would agree.

i feel the supreme court had no right to make the decision to legalize abortion in the first place.That is a violation of the rights of the unborn. They have rights too. They are people- as in a person.........
They are not a fetus, they are people like you and me.

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by deafdriscoll

i feel the supreme court had no right to make the decision to legalize abortion in the first place.That is a violation of the rights of the unborn. They have rights too. They are people- as in a person.........
They are not a fetus, they are people like you and me.

Where's their lawyer....

you see in this country you must have a lawyer...the US constitution was written by lawyers..and they want to be a part of any legislation so that they will get paid..

they worded the constitution so that only they could expertise over it and still always get paid...if you do not pay them then your case cannot be properly represented..Madlen Murry ohair got herself a lawyer and got pray removed from public schools ....which I agree with...

Roe or wade got themselves a lawyer and got their point of view decided by the Court of lawyers, all of which get paid...money is the form of which people make transactions , and lawyers make sure that they will continue to get paid.....

which now comes to the unborn...if they want their rights to be observed by the gobment then they will have to hire a lawyer to have their case heard..
the court of lawyers is waiting there in Washington to here it..

The reason why I agree with the atheists about prayer in public schools, was due to an epiphany which occurred while sitting under my pastor as he preached on prayer....

My Pastor in the 90's Walter Hallam , broke down all the many forms of prayer, and how important prayer is ...


whereas prayer in public schools is more like just taking a little religious pill ..and has more to do with image and pretense than in the truth about the reality of God..

[Aquila]

I believe that the Democrats are sold out to being openly pro-choice, having no belief that Government has a role in protecting human life. The Republicans... they talk a good talk. But they do next to NOTHING to really address the issue. As stated before, the Republicans controlled the central government and nothing really changed. We have to ask ourselves... Why? I believe it's politics. Republicans KNOW that the majority of Americans who sincerely believe that life is sacred will never vote for a Democrat who doesn't. Therefore these normally feel led by their deepest convictions to vote pro-life, which is by and large, Republican. If the issue was settled... these Americans could then move on to focusing on other topics like the economy, healthcare, labor rights, trade, etc... those are topics wherein the Democrats normally resonate with the American people (who for the most part lean just left of center). I know countless numbers of Catholics who agree with the Democrats on nearly everything but abortion. Many of these vote pro-life out of their religious convictions, while disagreeing with the majority of Republican positions. If the issue were resolved...this would put the Republicans at a political disadvantage. Therefore... the Republicans have to keep the issue alive. I believe they do nearly nothing about it because the longer it remains an issue... the longer they have this most important issue on their side. So I believe that while the Democrats favor choice, they do so for reasons that agree with their leftist ideals. While the Republicans only say they are pro-life to manipulate the voter.

Behold... the right and left hands of evil, at least when it comes to this issue.

I know there are Pro-Life Democrats. Many support initiatives (like 95/10) to reduce abortion. I believe that the data shows that these pro-life Democrats have made a far greater difference by addressing many of the issues women face... while the Republicans primarily just talk about overturning Roe v. Wade. But that's just my opinion.

I'm tired of both parties.

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe that the Democrats are sold out to being openly pro-choice, having no belief that Government has a role in protecting human life. The Republicans... they talk a good talk. But they do next to NOTHING to really address the issue. As stated before, the Republicans controlled the central government and nothing really changed. We have to ask ourselves... Why? I believe it's politics. Republicans KNOW that the majority of Americans who sincerely believe that life is sacred will never vote for a Democrat who doesn't. Therefore these normally feel led by their deepest convictions to vote pro-life, which is by and large, Republican. If the issue was settled... these Americans could then move on to focusing on other topics like the economy, healthcare, labor rights, trade, etc... those are topics wherein the Democrats normally resonate with the American people (who for the most part lean just left of center). I know countless numbers of Catholics who agree with the Democrats on nearly everything but abortion. Many of these vote pro-life out of their religious convictions, while disagreeing with the majority of Republican positions. If the issue were resolved...this would put the Republicans at a political disadvantage. Therefore... the Republicans have to keep the issue alive. I believe they do nearly nothing about it because the longer it remains an issue... the longer they have this most important issue on their side. So I believe that while the Democrats favor choice, they do so for reasons that agree with their leftist ideals. While the Republicans only say they are pro-life to manipulate the voter.

Behold... the right and left hands of evil, at least when it comes to this issue.

I know there are Pro-Life Democrats. Many support initiatives (like 95/10) to reduce abortion. I believe that the data shows that these pro-life Democrats have made a far greater difference by addressing many of the issues women face... while the Republicans primarily just talk about overturning Roe v. Wade. But that's just my opinion.

I'm tired of both parties.

I'm tire of the issue...I think it started out of the catholic camp in the beginning....I am an innocent child and have no dog in the fight...and never will..more Muslims will go to hell because we are distracted by this issue..meanwhile most Christians are just like Israel when Goliath of Gath challenged them ...absolute panicked about the Muslim horde..sharia creep and other Islamic challenges...and that fear is due mostly because that true connection necessary to have with God is not really there...They see the transformation of the Muslim a near impossibility ...

How did abortion become so big when 9/11 was coming?????
and how is it become so big even afterwards...are the few self destructive abortions more important than the 1.2 billion unreachable Muslims perishing right out in the open before our eyes..

Will we answer for abortions or Muslims in the day of judgment?
I tell you , my feeling is that Muslims going to hell while we in the greatest nation in the world ever, sat by twiddling our thumbs digging in over the abortion issue..and other related political/religoius issues like school prayer..