Is this Apostolic? - Page 5

Aquila · #41 08-24-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I hate to hurt all you doubters and unbelievers but MIRACLES HAPPEN TODAY! I have seen the blind eyes opened, deaf ears unstopped, tumors & growths disappear, backs straighted, limbs grow, hearts healed,the dead raised to life and many other miracles.
Your unbelief will not make the faith of God without effect - God forbid - let every man be a LIAR and let God be truth! Romans 3:3-4

Why get on this "Apostolic" Christian Forum and tear down the miraculous? You need a check up from the neck up!
MIRACLES HAPPEN TODAY!
The problem might be your DOUBT and UNBELIEF or where you go to Church! Where I go - we see Miracles and have testimonies of MIRACLES every service! Now - THAT'S APOSTOLIC!

Miracles do happen. However, "miracles" are not always from God therefore making them a foundation for faith and belief is serious error. The main thing is the person of JESUS CHRIST and the GOSPEL of what he has done. Something I'm not seeing anyone in the miracle craze focus on.

Jesus is...

My Election
My Destiny
My Atonement
My Propitiation
My Regeneration
My Faith
My Justification
My Santification
My Perseverance
My Glorification

Most don't have a clue what all of those doctrines mean or how they are appropriated in our Christian lives. However, they run around seeking to see some new "miracle" (often Satanic in origin) for validation and identity.

Miracles do happen. They can be good. But don't ever let them take your eyes from the person and work of Jesus Christ.

RandyWayne · #42 08-24-2011, 10:18 AM

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Miracles do happen. They can be good. But don't ever let them take your eyes from the person and work of Jesus Christ.

And sometimes "a miracle will happen everyday" but should never be the basis for doctrine.

pelathais · #43 08-26-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I hate to hurt all you doubters and unbelievers but MIRACLES HAPPEN TODAY! I have seen the blind eyes opened, deaf ears unstopped, tumors & growths disappear, backs straighted, limbs grow, hearts healed,the dead raised to life and many other miracles.
Your unbelief will not make the faith of God without effect - God forbid - let every man be a LIAR and let God be truth! Romans 3:3-4

Why get on this "Apostolic" Christian Forum and tear down the miraculous? You need a check up from the neck up!
MIRACLES HAPPEN TODAY!
The problem might be your DOUBT and UNBELIEF or where you go to Church! Where I go - we see Miracles and have testimonies of MIRACLES every service! Now - THAT'S APOSTOLIC!

Love you, Bro. I hope you know that. I also believe that miracles happen today and, as another has already pointed out, the "source" of the miracle isn't always godly nor following Christ.

We must use discernment. And, asking for proof of extravagant claims isn't always a sign of doubt or skepticism. Sometimes it does reign in some folks who may have been acting irresponsibly.

Now, I'm not saying that this particular guy was "acting irresponsibly." I can't even make out most of the audio. It's just that when someone makes a claim it is only fair that others be allowed to ask questions about the claim.

in1accord · #44 08-28-2011, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev

He fell off quite a while ago.

I was in a service where JA preached a year or so ago and I'm good with seeing him just once...

Solemn warning was given that if people didn't repent, the pastor would preach 3 funerals. There have been 3 funerals but not people you would expect this type of prophecy would apply to. It is concerning to think that there may still be 3 more funerals...

JA also seems to prophecy much about people receiving personal gain. Not to say that God doesn't bless people with material things, but I'm not sure prophecies of personal gain are in line with the scriptures for the gift of prophecy. Prophecy is for edification of the church.

RandyWayne · #45 08-28-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by in1accord

I was in a service where JA preached a year or so ago and I'm good with seeing him just once...

Solemn warning was given that if people didn't repent, the pastor would preach 3 funerals. There have been 3 funerals but not people you would expect this type of prophecy would apply to. It is concerning to think that there may still be 3 more funerals...

JA also seems to prophecy much about people receiving personal gain. Not to say that God doesn't bless people with material things, but I'm not sure prophecies of personal gain are in line with the scriptures for the gift of prophecy. Prophecy is for edification of the church.

I guess if he had said there would be three funerals by this specific time, no more and no less, I would be impressed. But just to say "there will be One.... Two.... THREE funerals! Maaawwww hawwww hawwww hawww<lighting flash>" is a bit ridicules since anyone other than those taken by such a word of knowledge can see the big logical hole in it.

jaxfam6 · #46 08-28-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Sorry, but I think we should and are obligated to do so. I would even question magicians at a show I paid to get tickets to watch. How much more should we validate and verify a claim that God Almighty removed a tumor or gave the highest GPA to a boy?

I am tired of pronouncements of a myriad of instantaneous "healings" while my two quadriplegic friends are conveniently passed over in favor of those with sore muscles and practice of psychosomatic medicine on others. Since proclamation of deliverance is a core tenant of the "healing" event, the actual proclamation or claim of healing often does not resemble reality.

I do not believe this is what Jesus practiced in the Gospels, nor what occurred with the Apostles in the book of Acts.

don't get me wrong, I am not against verifying healing. I think it is wise to verify those things. It just isn't my place to question someone when they tell me GOD HEALED ME. If they can tell me honestly that God healed them then I will believe with them and thank God for the healing they are claiming.

in1accord · #47 08-28-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I guess if he had said there would be three funerals by this specific time, no more and no less, I would be impressed. But just to say "there will be One.... Two.... THREE funerals! Maaawwww hawwww hawwww hawww<lighting flash>" is a bit ridicules since anyone other than those taken by such a word of knowledge can see the big logical hole in it.

Agreed....unless the pastor would happen to die first he will eventually preach 3 funerals.

houston · #48 08-28-2011, 01:31 PM

3 in a row... least expected... secret sins?

in1accord · #49 08-28-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

3 in a row... least expected... secret sins?

This comment is a good example of why prophecies of this nature are not edifying...it makes people question.

As for the 3....one was of old age and to be expected. The other two not expected. Even so, I prefer to think they were right with the lord....all good people!

houston · #50 08-28-2011, 03:23 PM

People ALWAYS think they have a word from the Lord for me, or that they know the Lord's will for my life.

I just politely smile. I have had very few words that were authentic, but probably more than most people that I know.