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Old 06-05-2011, 03:20 PM
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Books of Adam?
yea they are some old documents, that are sorta of stories and such that had been passed down through time. deals mainly with adam and eve and gettign kicked out of the garden and the things followed.

though it never made it into the canon it is a very interesting read as far as how hebrews and jews discussed adam and eve


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The Books Of Adam And Eve
Of all the Lost Books of The Bible, The First and Second Books of Adam and Eve contain, perhaps, the most evidence of paranormal and supernatural occurrences recorded. The Books of Adam and Eve are considered to be the work of unknown Egyptians. Parts of the books can be found in the Talmud, the Koran and elsewhere. This proves that The Books of Adam and Eve played a vital role in the original literature of early humans. The influence of the Books of Adam and Eve can be traced through the large number of versions that exist in the writings of the Greeks, Syrians, Egyptians, Abyssinians, Hebrews and other ancient cultures and races. The story of Adam and Eve has been handed down through the ages with little or no change what so ever. The original manuscript was written in Arabic and was then translated by Dr. E. Trumpp, a professor at the University of Munich. It is divided into two parts, the First and Second Books of Adam and Eve. An extensive List of the paranormal events found in the Books of Adam and Eve are as follows.
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Not true. Death had no part of Adam til he sinned. Returning to the ground was not mentioned until Adam sinned. Otherwise removing him from the tree of life and the Garden so he could die makes no sense if was going to die anyway and if it was only spiritual death.

You are saying God had to remove Adam from the Garden so HE COULD SPIRITUALLY DIE. Adam already spiritually died when he sinned.
Where does the Bible say that?
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yea they are some old documents, that are sorta of stories and such that had been passed down through time. deals mainly with adam and eve and gettign kicked out of the garden and the things followed.

though it never made it into the canon it is a very interesting read as far as how hebrews and jews discussed adam and eve


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The Books Of Adam And Eve
Of all the Lost Books of The Bible, The First and Second Books of Adam and Eve contain, perhaps, the most evidence of paranormal and supernatural occurrences recorded. The Books of Adam and Eve are considered to be the work of unknown Egyptians. Parts of the books can be found in the Talmud, the Koran and elsewhere. This proves that The Books of Adam and Eve played a vital role in the original literature of early humans. The influence of the Books of Adam and Eve can be traced through the large number of versions that exist in the writings of the Greeks, Syrians, Egyptians, Abyssinians, Hebrews and other ancient cultures and races. The story of Adam and Eve has been handed down through the ages with little or no change what so ever. The original manuscript was written in Arabic and was then translated by Dr. E. Trumpp, a professor at the University of Munich. It is divided into two parts, the First and Second Books of Adam and Eve. An extensive List of the paranormal events found in the Books of Adam and Eve are as follows.

I have those books. They contain dozens of discussions between the serpent and Adam and Eve. THE (alleged) FORGOTTEN BOOKS OF EDEN.
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Where does the Bible say that?
God said the day he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. He physically lived another 900 years. And, no, that is not something that "a day with the lord is as a thousand years" explains. lol
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God said the day he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. He physically lived another 900 years. And, no, that is not something that "a day with the lord is as a thousand years" explains. lol
I still think God delayed His Judgment so mercy would have time to come in.

Cause if that is the case every time we sin we would spiritually die.
Yet God brings conviction to us so we repent.

This is one that can really go both ways. its just the perspective of it.

Some translations also leave the word day out of it.
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I still think God delayed His Judgment so mercy would have time to come in.

Cause if that is the case every time we sin we would spiritually die.
Yet God brings conviction to us so we repent.

This is one that can really go both ways. its just the perspective of it.

Some translations also leave the word day out of it.
I cannot see God say one thing and then delay it because of mercy, making His word unreliable.
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God said the day he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. He physically lived another 900 years. And, no, that is not something that "a day with the lord is as a thousand years" explains. lol
cmon he almost made it a full day in Gods time..
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cmon he almost made it a full day in Gods time..
1,000 years is not a day in God's time. That is a misinterpretation of Peter's words.
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God said the day he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. He physically lived another 900 years. And, no, that is not something that "a day with the lord is as a thousand years" explains. lol
That's not saying Adam died spiritually. You have to add something to make it say or mean that.
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I cannot see God say one thing and then delay it because of mercy, making His word unreliable.
God is full of Justice, and he is Full of mercy.

How could he show is mercy if he Killed them as soon as there teeth sank into it? and what death is spiritual? He stated you will die. he didnt say you will die a spiritual death .


Man thats a harold camping.

Yea God came in may 21, but it was a spiritual judgment. so he went from having a ressurection to a spiritual jusgment.

I heard a great sermon on this once. The preacher used 7 atributes of God or something like that.

and when into scripture to show these atributes and how God dealt with this.

it was very good
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