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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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The other thing that bothers me is, people who no longer believe "The Standards" or no longer believe down to the very last letter the UPC standards or someone else's rigid standards are said to no longer believe in Holiness.
That is two fold. It, on the one hand slams that individual as a loose immoral person when they may not be and on the other makes outward codes of how to look "Holiness" and ignores outward behavior and attitudes as well as the inward change of heart
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They "are said" by whom? I know that has and does happen, but by no means do they represent all or most...
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
The other thing that bothers me is, people who no longer believe "The Standards" or no longer believe down to the very last letter the UPC standards or someone else's rigid standards are said to no longer believe in Holiness.
That is two fold. It, on the one hand slams that individual as a loose immoral person when they may not be and on the other makes outward codes of how to look "Holiness" and ignores outward behavior and attitudes as well as the inward change of heart
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They "are said" by whom? I know that has and does happen, but by no means do they represent all or most...
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Surely you jest.
Of course broad generalizations based upon personal experiences and perspectives serve as insufficient research data, but the culture of the movement seems to be rigid, and exclusive.
DKB's history (Affirmation Statement Proponent and numero uno standards guru) informs this tweet. Anyone with a functioning brain realizes that he is stating the obvious; the UPC will not change its Manual for anyone no matter how much light pours over incorrect doctrines contained therein.
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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They "are said" by whom? I know that has and does happen, but by no means do they represent all or most...
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That is beside the point. Those that do it, do it and those are the ones I am speaking of
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05-19-2011, 03:34 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Surely you jest.
Of course broad generalizations based upon personal experiences and perspectives serve as insufficient research data, but the culture of the movement seems to be rigid, and exclusive.
DKB's history (Affirmation Statement Proponent and numero uno standards guru) informs this tweet. Anyone with a functioning brain realizes that he is stating the obvious; the UPC will not change its Manual for anyone no matter how much light pours over incorrect doctrines contained therein.
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Numero uno standards guru? LOL! Not by the measuring stick of the Ultra Cons!
He has been criticized for statements he has made regarding traditional Western dress and how it has and is changing, for his statements on facial hair, and his acceptance of the use of television.
At most, he can be classified as a moderate.
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Originally Posted by Charnock
Surely you jest.
Of course broad generalizations based upon personal experiences and perspectives serve as insufficient research data, but the culture of the movement seems to be rigid, and exclusive.
DKB's history (Affirmation Statement Proponent and numero uno standards guru) informs this tweet. Anyone with a functioning brain realizes that he is stating the obvious; the UPC will not change its Manual for anyone no matter how much light pours over incorrect doctrines contained therein.
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Numero uno standards guru? LOL! Not by the measuring stick of the Ultra Cons!
He has been criticized for statements he has made regarding traditional Western dress and how it has and is changing, for his statements on facial hair, and his acceptance of the use of television.
At most, he can be classified as a moderate.
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Exactly, if anything, the UPC as a "body" is shifting to moderate.
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Exactly, if anything, the UPC as a "body" is shifting to moderate.
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Facial hair on men has never been prohibited in scripture, so why would it make him a moderate to say so? If ministers are recognizing that they have been teaching non-biblical clothing/appearance standards, we get to call them moderates now? How about just being "biblical".
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
Moderate, biblical , I don't care what you call them.
The point was, according to the labels usually given on this forum, they could be said to be shifting to moderate.
I see you been a member a while, not paying attention ?
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Facial hair on men has never been prohibited in scripture, so why would it make him a moderate to say so? If ministers are recognizing that they have been teaching non-biblical clothing/appearance standards, we get to call them moderates now? How about just being "biblical".
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Moderate, biblical , I don't care what you call them.
The point was, according to the labels usually given on this forum, they could be said to be shifting to moderate.
I see you been a member a while, not paying attention ?
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Exactly. I of course, would not argue DKB or pretty much any UPC minister is "moderate" in terms of greater Christianity. Only in terms of the UPC and it's recent past (last few decades).
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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Exactly, if anything, the UPC as a "body" is shifting to moderate.
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I think that "as a body" the UPC has always been rather moderate. Those in control of the "rules" and resolutions writing process however have always tended to be rather radical.
I'll believe that the org as a whole has become more moderate when they take back the Westberg Resolution and return to the agreements made at the merger.
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