Do we have a 'Heavenly Mother'?

[AJS]

Do we All have a ‘Heavenly Mother’?

The following study - was given to me in a moment of time…like a huge wave washing
onto a beach.
I realize, ….that some folks, whom like myself, at the opening stage of being presented this view… will have a very hard time accepting some ‘new kind’ of thought like this.

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On 1-1-11, New Years day this year, someone casually mention to me that we all have a ‘heavenly mother’. He then went on to speak of other things.
For many days following… I couldn’t get out of my mind – the thought about how we could possibly have a ‘spiritual heaven mother’.
I am 65 years old. I’ve probably been to over 10,000 church services, including numerous denominations and listen to that many sermons. I also attended Bible College courses and never once – in my entire life, has any preacher, teacher, pastor or bible commentator ever mentioned anything about the saints of God having a spiritual heavenly mother.
Quite frankly, I was a bit disconcerted that my friend would even make such a statement.

However, because I couldn’t get the thought of a ‘spiritual heaven mother’ out of my mind, I finally took the matter to prayer.
I had two questions for my Heaven Father.
(1.) How could there possibly be a Heavenly Mother…when the Holy Scriptures speak nothing about it?
And –
(2.) Why is it that none of the Saints in the so-called Christian world today - have a clue about such an intriguing subject – a spiritual heavenly mother?

From my former studies - I remembered that the Mormon’s complicate things with their teaching about a Father and Mother in the Godhead… because they go on to teach that God is mortal human beings.

About two weeks went by, and I happened upon Galations 4:26-29.
Gal 4:26-29 (NKJ)
26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written: "Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear! Break forth and shout, You who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children, Than she who has a husband." 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.

Oh my! There it is. This speaks of the ‘mother of us all’.
Let’s take these verses, point by point.


*** What or who is the ‘Jerusalem above is free’?
Is this a specific location, a heavenly setting someplace…or does this speak of a heavenly family, a community?
There is a saying, “New York never sleeps”.
Does that mean that the steel, the concrete, and the asphalt never sleeps? No, this speak of the people of NY city.
Likewise, the family of God.
Eph 3:15 –
Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Rev 21:9-10 –
“Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
Heb 12:22 - But you are come to mount Sion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, …,


*** Who is the ‘mother of us all’?
Where did she come from?
Why was she never mentioned before?
Who is she?
We know that she is a mother.
A husband can have a wife, but you can’t have a mother without a father…and further, any
offspring / children, demands that there is a mother and a father.

Additionally…who is the father of the offspring / children?
In all the kingdoms of nature that our God has made….isn’t it ONLY the mother’s that gives birth?

So - who is this mother…our mother – the ‘mother of us all’ – that her children are born according to the Spirit?


*** Why is it written that this mother is ‘barren’… ‘who does not bear’…’who is not in labor’?
For thousands of years during the O.T., that the experience of spiritual children being ‘born again’ or ‘born from above’ seemed to be restricted for this mother.
Matt 23:37-
“…how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!”


*** What does it mean that the ‘desolate has many more children’… ‘born according to the flesh’… ‘then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit’ mean?

The O.T. type of Esau and Isaac portraits each person’s struggle of the flesh man warring against his spirit man
Gal 5:17 –
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that you cannot do the things that you would.


*** Who is the husband of ‘’she who has a husband’?
Together – this husband and wife produce children, which are born according to the Spirit.
This wife / mother - according to the Spirit (whoever she is) is directly related to the mother of us all.
She is a.k.a. as the Jerusalem from above and she was barren for a period of time, yet she has a husband.
Can you tell me… who is her husband?


*** Who are the ‘ children of promise’… ‘him who is born according to the Spirit, …even so it is now’?
Her children are the promised seed and that those born of this mother are born according to the Spirit…even as it is now….and are free.

“Aw ha”, some wise sage will say, “The Bible states that it’s the son who sets a man free - not a mother.”
John 8:36 –
If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
True – but let’s consider these words of our Lord and Savior:
John 15:26 – (NKJV)
But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.
Here we have the ‘Helper’ / ‘Comforter’ coming from the Father - that testifies of the son of God, Jesus.



*** Let’s now consider – who this ‘helper’ / ‘Comforter’ is?
John 16:7 -
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
John 14:16 –
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever.
We see from the above verses John 14:16 &15:26 that the ‘helper’ proceeds from the Father.
And in the below verse John 16:13 that the Spirit of Truth will not speak on his own authority.
John 16:23 –
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
I see this as a kind of a strange combination of statements.
How come the Holy Spirit does not speak on his own authority…if it proceeds from the Father?

Unless the Holy Spirit is not a HE but a SHE….the wife of our Heavenly Father.
She cannot speak on Her own authority….because the authority of any woman is first her father, and then transfers to her husband.

[AJS]

HELPER:
If the Bible speak of giving us another ‘helper’ – then there must be a prior ‘helper’?
Hummm, I wonder who the prior ‘helper’ is?
Gen 2:18 –
And the LORD God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
Gen 2:20 –
So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.
Yup….there it is – Eve was Adam’s helper.

Where was the first ‘helper’ taken from?
Gen 2:22-23 –
Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.
Eve came out of Adam.
Where is the ‘another helper’ taken from?
John 15:26 – (NKJV)
But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.
John 14:16 –
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever.
She came from our Heavenly Father.

O.K. – let’ put this all together, the first ‘helper’(human mother) comes from out of the male / Adam - and the ‘another helper’ (Heavenly Mother) comes from our Heavenly Father /male.

In review – a closer examination of the ‘Helper’.
Who just like our earthly mother who so often comforts her little ones….which is (a type) of our heavenly mother….and as our heavenly comforter - she knows how to console her children.
John 14:18 –
18 "I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.


Dear Reader ----Does it still seem unreasonable to you - to think that our ‘Heavenly Mother ‘may also be the Holy Spirit, ….the Comforter,… the Helper,… the Spirit of Truth,…that proceeds from the Father,…sent to mankind from the Father in the name of Jesus Christ,…who comes to teach you things to come ?
John 16:13 –However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.


*** Perhaps the biggest hindrance to understanding who this ‘mother of us all’ really is – is the use of the pronoun ‘He’ that Bible translators have used throughout the sacred Scriptures when in reference to the Holy Spirit.

Nearly all modern translations have adopted the standard of using the personal pronoun ‘he’ in reference to the holy spirit.

Yet, the word “spirit” is neuter in Greek and when pronouns are used in reference to spirit, they should have been translated without gender. The “Holy Spirit” is referred to by a “neuter” noun in Greek. Thus, it is correct to use an “it,” or “which”.
However, to determine how to translate the pronouns is based on the belief of the translator concerning whether or not the word in question is a person.
Thus,
if the text grammatical implies sexual gender, what pronouns should we use: “she,” “it,” or “he?” It is your choice.

Another interesting point I find about the Holy Spirit.
John 16:12-13 -
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
The irony is that there were truths that Christ wanted to share – but could not….and this was in the context about the Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit. Perhaps he wanted to share with them - who the Holy Spirit really was…that it was a ‘she’.


Here’s how I choose to read the following verses – you may read them differently:
John 16:7 NKJ
7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send (Her) to you.
John 15:26 NKJ
26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, (She) will testify of Me.
John 14:16-18 NKJ
16 "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that (She) may abide with you forever,
17 "even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees (Her) nor knows (Her); but you know (Her), for (She) dwells with you and will be in you.

Does one dare speak or give thanks to our Heavenly Mother? Why not?
I realize that there is no directive in the scriptures to pray or have intercession to anyone but our ‘Heaven Father’.

It is an indication of personhood for the Holy Spirit to communicate… i.e. speak one’s mind.
Acts 1:16
"Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus--
Acts 28:25 -
They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: "The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your forefathers when he said through Isaiah the prophet:

I sense that some of you reading this – that you are bowing your back - your jaw is set… you are a bit frustrated.
How do I know that…because that’s the way I was - a few weeks ago (1-1-11 New Years Day) - when someone, in a casual way, mentioned to me that there is such a thing as a ‘Heavenly Mother’.


*** Doesn’t the above view that I have, presented …. perhaps - give one (a ground-breaking / different) understanding of the Godhead?

For myself - it takes on a whole new, wonderful and different significance.
I’ve had to reconsider my view of the Godhead, who the ‘let us’ and ‘our’ and ‘like one of Us ‘ – really are.
Gen 1:26 -
"Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth,”.
Gen 3:22 -
"Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever," .
Gen 11:7 -
“Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech,”
Isa 6:8 -
"Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

The following Scripture does show that women, as much as men, are in the image of God. It also hints that both male and female were required for God’s image to be complete.
It might be that a man and woman made one through marriage portray the fullness of God better than an individual of one.
Genesis 1:27 –
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

[AJS]

*** It is the duty of the ‘father to begat’ - and the duty of a ‘mother to be born from’.
Together…they produce ‘children’.
Thus, when we are (born from above,.. born of the Spirit)…is it by our Heaven Father?
Or, when we are (born from above,.. born of the Spirit)…is it by our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ – who is our elder brother?
Or, is it by the ‘mother of us all’?

There are those astute today - who will point out that Jesus the Christ was begotten of the Father…..not the Mother.
True…but let’s consider the following:

In ALL KINGDOM’s….whether of the animal kingdom, or of the fish kingdom, or of the bird kingdom, or of the reptile kingdom, or of the human kingdom…yes,… nothing is born of a father / male….only a mother / female.

It is ‘begotten’ of a father…but ‘born’ of a mother.
John 3:16 -
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life".
I John 4:9 –
9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Remember – it’s the ‘father that begats’ and the ‘mother to be born from’.

“Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; / And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; / And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; / And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; / And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; / And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; / And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; / And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; / And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; / And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: / And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; / And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; / And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; / And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; / And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.”

Begotten or Begat – is commonly used through a (father / male) lineage.
Now - look at (Mary / mother) of whom was BORN Jesus, called the Christ.

Our entire salvation of being ’Born of the Spirit’ … through the sacred writings – shows an encompassed involvement with – together…
a Mother, the Spirit of God, our Heavenly Father and the only begotten Son of God.
‘mother of us all’(Gal 4:26-29)….along with ‘the Spirit of God dwelleth in you’(1 Cor. 3:16); ‘Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him’(John 14:23).
Did you catch that…Jesus said ‘we’ will come unto him? But if I use the word ‘we’…why am I looked upon so negatively?

Obviously, I am not proclaiming a plurality of gods…but a deeper understand of the Godhead certainly must be considered.


Not all of God’s truths, plans, and purposes have been revealed yet….Most Christians have been told that all pertinent revelation – has already been revealed through the written word of God.
That simply is NOT the Case:
Daniel 9:24 -
"Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.
Daniel 12:9 –
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Rev 10:4 –
4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Certain spiritual information is closed up - until the time of the end. Most folks believe we are living - in the time of the end.
Finally:
I guess one question that constantly lies before me is – if and when something new is revealed to the Saints - by the Spirit of God,
… am I,… will I be in the proper place before Him to receive it?
Or will I reject it….by rather clinging close to my heart, my Pandora’s Box of already pre-conceived and established ‘doctrines of God’?

(Gal 4:26-29) must be addressed at some point – and understood with reasonableness and answered with soundness.

To deny that we have a ‘heavenly mother’ of the Spirit – a person would have to either:
(a) use a black pen or…
(b) use a scissors to cut those verses out of their Bible or…
(c) provide a better and more accurate interpretation of who the ‘mother of us all’ really is.


For me at least -
everything that I thought… that I had nailed down about the Godhead…now has to be
re-examined.
I am just a little lamp –
of my Heaven Father, Mother and the only begotten son – Yeshua/Jesus.…..(1-28-11)

Allen S.

to be continued…..

[mfblume]

The Jerusalem above is the church. Paul told the Eph that Christ is the husband and the church is the bride. Heb 12:22-23 says we already came to Heavenly Jerusalem, the church. Jerusalem was God's bride in Jesus Ezekiel 16. Jesus said we are a city set on a hill. All femininity focuses primarily on the church.

Others have proposed the Holy Ghost is of a feminine since it births and the Father begets, ands the Spirit brooded over the face of the deep in Gen 1:2 like a "hen", so to speak. However, that no more indicates a femininity to the nature of God's Spirit than Christ's words about gathering believers to him as a hen gathers her chicks. Christ was not feminine.

These aberrant thoughts that have never been strongly espoused by anyone majorly ought to raise red flags. Truth is never hidden away for generations and revealed later. If the New Testament did not plainly teach such a view then it is not correct. This is where trinity is offkey. It is not taught in the Bible.

My thoughts, anyway.

[Dedicated Mind]

interesting thoughts, but do you realize you are on a oneness forum? the holy spirit is the presence of christ not a female diety in the godhead. are you trinitarian? do you even know what oneness means? I too have wondered about a female aspect of god's nature.

[AJS]

Thanks for your responses.
Yes, I was raised in the UPC, and had accepted their teachings for much of my life. I also find some of their teachings to be found wanting.


mfblume wrote:
Truth is never hidden away for generations and revealed later. If the New Testament did not plainly teach such a view then it is not correct.


God's truth has been progressive since the beginning.
Adam was not given all truth.
The entire O.T. is progressive and this has been the case since then.

In Acts it states clearly that men and women will be given visions and dreams. What for?
To enlightened the saints of God.

The N.T. does plainly teaches a 'mother of us all'.
But, who's understanding is correct?
Your view or my view. Or maybe we both are in error.
Just something to think about.


Daniel 9:24 -
"Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.
Daniel 12:9 –
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

In reading the above.
It sure seem to me that NOT all teaching has been revealed yet.


Here's a summary of my view:
I am not saying it's correct....its my understand today.


1. It cannot be denied, that we all have a heavenly mother. And this mother has a husband.
And together they have children born according to spirit. And their children are children of promise and this is on- going prodigy even through today.

2. The only reasonable explanation, whom this husband may be is – our Heavenly Father.

3. Jesus Christ made clear that he needed to depart (visually)from the disciples, and in doing so he would asks the Father to send another ‘helper’ unto them.
This ‘helper’ does not speak of its own authority and it proceeds from the Father.

4. A prior ‘helper’ was Eve who came from Adam. The another ‘helper’ proceeds from the Father. Adam was the father of all human prodigy. And our Heavenly Father is the father of all spirit prodigy.
Eve was known as the ‘mother of all living’ on earth. Our heavenly mother is known as the ‘mother of us all’.

5. Eve’s authority was in her husband. And the Holy Spirit does not speak on her own authority.

6. The word “spirit” is neuter in Greek and when pronouns are used in reference to spirit, they should have been translated without gender. So ‘it’ or ‘which’ may be used.
There is evidence that the Holy Spirit ‘spoke’.
Thus, when the context shows a personality or gender, then the reader may use ‘he’ or ‘she’ according to their preference.

7. When man’s human existence came into being, the view of the Godhead, used pronouns such as ‘let us’ and ‘our’ and ‘like one of Us’. This implies a plurality, that is most easily explained with a Heaven Father and Mother.

8. It is the duty of the ‘father to begat’ - and the duty of a ‘mother to be born from’.
A loving heaven Father and Mother, produced children born according to spirit.

9. Not all of God’s truths, plans, and purposes have been revealed yet.
Certain revelation, visions, and prophecies were sealed up until the time of the end.
Jesus wasn’t even able to share with his own disciples significant information that he wanted to.

10. If you disagree with my explanation….that’s O.K. – but, then it is YOUR duty to provide a better and more accurate interpretation of who the ‘mother of us all’ really is.

Blessings and peace to you all,
allen

[Sam]

The Church is represented in our Bible by several pictures.
Some which come immediately to mind are:

A temple Ephesians 2:20-22, 1 Peter 2:5
A body in which Christ dwells as the Holy Spirit 1 Corinthians 12:12-27
An espoused bride or fiance 2 Corinthians 11:1-2
A priesthood, 1 Peter 2:5
A city Hebrews 12:22, Matthew 5:14 Revelation 21:2
A wife and mother Galatians 4:26
The Israel of God or spiritual Israel or Abraham's seed Galatians 6:16

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by AJS

Thanks for your responses.
Yes, I was raised in the UPC, and had accepted their teachings for much of my life. I also find some of their teachings to be found wanting.

10. If you disagree with my explanation….that’s O.K. – but, then it is YOUR duty to provide a better and more accurate interpretation of who the ‘mother of us all’ really is.

Blessings and peace to you all,
allen

AJS, Your thoughts are interesting and I agree with you on the fact that God must possess some part of a feminine nature. God is spirit. Maybe spirit is gender neutral, I don't know. In my opinion, Jesus said, "where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them." How can Jesus be in thousands of places at the same time and what is actually present in churches around the world? It is the holy spirit that is present wherever 2 or 3 are gathered and Jesus said he was present. So Jesus and the holy spirit are the same person. One is physical and the other spiritual, but the same person. The "couple" that is begetting spiritual children is God and the church, who is the bride of christ. How is it that you are the only person in the world that thinks that the holy spirit is a female diety? Don't you think that if that were true there would be a select group of believers, like a church or an organization that believed that? I don't know the verse but the bible warns against private interpretations of scripture. The holy spirit being female or the trinity is not stated explicitly in the bible. The oneness of God is stated explicitly. There are verses that state that the holy spirit is God and God is one. I personally think you are espousing a private interpretation and no one has that authority to establish a doctrine. I hope you can find some stability and a firm foundation of what you believe.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

AJS, Your thoughts are interesting and I agree with you on the fact that God must possess some part of a feminine nature. God is spirit. Maybe spirit is gender neutral, I don't know. In my opinion, Jesus said, "where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them." How can Jesus be in thousands of places at the same time and what is actually present in churches around the world?

That verse is commonly taken out of context.

It is not saying Jesus' presence is literally there when there are two or three gathered in His name. That is true whether there are two or three or ONE! He said He'd never forsake us. But what that verse is actually saying has to do with what the context just said earlier. Jesus said that when you go to a brother who has wronged you, and he does not repent, then take one or two more with you. That makes the two or three. And He said that if follow this procedure, and he continued with taking it to the church, etc., then you can count that man as a publican and heathen. In other words, following this procedure and pronouncing such a person as "out" is as good as Jesus Himself doing it. In other words, it is as IF HE WAS THERE AND PRONOUNCED HAT HIMSELF. He gave us THAT MUCH authority.


Anyway, off topic, I know, but we cannot use that verse to support your point, though I agree with your point.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by AJS

Thanks for your responses.
Yes, I was raised in the UPC, and had accepted their teachings for much of my life. I also find some of their teachings to be found wanting.


mfblume wrote:
Truth is never hidden away for generations and revealed later. If the New Testament did not plainly teach such a view then it is not correct.


God's truth has been progressive since the beginning.
Adam was not given all truth.
The entire O.T. is progressive and this has been the case since then.

I disagree. The New Testament is a different ballgame when compared with truth progressing since Adam. All we need to know is laid forth in the bible as we have it now. Anything else STEMS FROM THAT. God reveals no major theological or doctrinal revelation that is necessary for us since the bible has been provided, other than something in the bible we did not understand when reading it beforehand. And saying God's Spirit is a female who is the mother of us all is a major doctrinal thought not related in the Word.

In Acts it states clearly that men and women will be given visions and dreams. What for?
To enlightened the saints of God.

But not for new doctrines that the apostles did not already know and administer. The Spirit and the Word will agree. If something comes to us in the Spirit by way of vision, and it is not supported by the Word or conflicts with the Word, it actually was not of the Spirit. the FOUNDATION of truth is already laid. Anything else stems from it and is derived from it. The NT never mentioned anything about the Spirit being female, so it simply is not female. IMHO.

The N.T. does plainly teaches a 'mother of us all'.
But, who's understanding is correct?
Your view or my view. Or maybe we both are in error.
Just something to think about.

We weigh out the rest of the scriptures. I already noted that Ezekiel 16 says old Jerusalem was God's bride. She committed whoredoms and God cut her off. Jesus said she crossed the line in Matt 23. Paul calls the church an espoused virgin. He calls the church the bride in Eph 5. Old Jerusalem has a counterpart, NEW Jerusalem. Heb 12:22-23 uses synonymous terms for the CHURCH, including heavenly Jerusalem. Every title Heb 12:22-23 listed in sequence are synonymous for each other. Mount Zion and heavenly Jerusalem are the same thing as the church of the firstborn. This manner of reading brings in the statements of the feminine nature belonging to us as the church in Eph 5 and elsewhere. Even 1 Cor 6 says we are one SPIRIT with the Lord as a man and woman are one flesh. Never is the term SHE used to denote anything about God in all scripture.

Daniel 9:24 -
"Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.
Daniel 12:9 –
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

In reading the above.
It sure seem to me that NOT all teaching has been revealed yet.

The time of the end that Daniel psoke about was the first century. Watch:

Dan 12:4 KJV But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Rev 22:10 KJV And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

The time of sealing has been over since John's day in the first century. Nothing is sealed any more. Obviously John was in the time of the end if the book was to be sealed until that time and John was told to not seal it. Heb 1:1 says the last days were in the time Hebrews was written! IN THESE LAST DAYS. Peter said Joel's words about the last days outpouring came to pass in ACTS 2! 2000 years ago! What Joel said about the last days was what Peter said was fulfilled in Acts 2.

Here's a summary of my view:
I am not saying it's correct....its my understand today.


1. It cannot be denied, that we all have a heavenly mother. And this mother has a husband.

Right. The church is the mother and the husband is Christ. What prohibits you from connecting Paul's words in 1 Cor 6 and Eph 5 with the church as the female with this portion in Gal 4?

And together they have children born according to spirit. And their children are children of promise and this is on- going prodigy even through today.

Are not children born in the church? Is the church not required for new birth?

2. The only reasonable explanation, whom this husband may be is – our Heavenly Father.

Jesus, the alpha and omega said we would be His children.

Rev 21:7 KJV He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

3. Jesus Christ made clear that he needed to depart (visually)from the disciples, and in doing so he would asks the Father to send another ‘helper’ unto them.
This ‘helper’ does not speak of its own authority and it proceeds from the Father.

4. A prior ‘helper’ was Eve who came from Adam. The another ‘helper’ proceeds from the Father. Adam was the father of all human prodigy. And our Heavenly Father is the father of all spirit prodigy.
Eve was known as the ‘mother of all living’ on earth. Our heavenly mother is known as the ‘mother of us all’.

The church came from Christ's death just as as Eve came from Adam's deep sleep. Adam's side was opened to remove his rib, and Christ's side was pierced and blood and water came forth to see the Church exist through His death. the piercing of the side proved HIS DEATH.

5. Eve’s authority was in her husband. And the Holy Spirit does not speak on her own authority.

The Bible does not use the term HER to speak of the Spirit. And the church cannot speak of her own authority.

I can see where you reach for this and find parts to support your thoughts, but there is more more weight behind the concept that the CHURCH is the mother. there are far more corresponding explicit verses that propose this.

6. The word “spirit” is neuter in Greek and when pronouns are used in reference to spirit, they should have been translated without gender. So ‘it’ or ‘which’ may be used.
There is evidence that the Holy Spirit ‘spoke’.
Thus, when the context shows a personality or gender, then the reader may use ‘he’ or ‘she’ according to their preference.

But again the far greater weight is on the CHURCH as the female and the mother. God set His NAME in Jerusalem of old, out of all the cities in the promised land. The CHURCH is called out for HIS NAME. The church is the bride in Eph 5 as is the New Jerusalem in Rev 21. The New Jerusalem is built on twelve foundations with the names of the apostles written on them. Paul said in Eph 2 that the church is built on the foundation of the apostles.

Rev 22 distinguishes the Spirit from the Bride as follows:

Rev 22:17 KJV And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

7. When man’s human existence came into being, the view of the Godhead, used pronouns such as ‘let us’ and ‘our’ and ‘like one of Us’. This implies a plurality, that is most easily explained with a Heaven Father and Mother.

That is pure conjecture.

8. It is the duty of the ‘father to begat’ - and the duty of a ‘mother to be born from’.
A loving heaven Father and Mother, produced children born according to spirit.

9. Not all of God’s truths, plans, and purposes have been revealed yet.
Certain revelation, visions, and prophecies were sealed up until the time of the end.
Jesus wasn’t even able to share with his own disciples significant information that he wanted to.

As I said, the time of the end was when John wrote revelation, and when Hebrews was written, as well as the days of Acts 2. Jesus was speaking of the days after the day of Pentecost when He said He could not relate all things to them. They needed the baptism of the Holy Ghost. It was not talking about thousands of years after the cross.

God will reveal distinctive issues that regard our day and our circumstances, but generally speaking, no grand truth has not already been revealed fro the Church.

10. If you disagree with my explanation….that’s O.K. – but, then it is YOUR duty to provide a better and more accurate interpretation of who the ‘mother of us all’ really is.

Blessings and peace to you all,
allen

I believe I have fulfilled my duty to you. .

God bless!