Romans 2:28-29

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by pelathais

" <3 " ????

Are you "Monarchianism" because you believe that God is "less than three?"

Pel, please tell me that this was just some dry humor on your part...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Pel, please tell me that this was just some dry humor on your part...

Originally Posted by pelathais

LOL. I know, but I thought "Less than Three" was kind of a pun that would apply toward your username.

Whew... Thank goodness!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Whew... Thank goodness!

C'mon! You chuckled. Didn't you?



... okay. It was "dry."

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

I've determined to believe that we were grafted in to the lineage of Abraham by faith. To me that makes us spiritual Jews with a new convenant.

Wouldn't that make us saved Gentiles?

[Praxeas]

I don't know if this ever got posted but this is what DS said

A clear shift is seen in Romans 2:28-29:
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. "


This passage is often misinterpreted to mean that Christians are "spiritual Jews." This is not the point at all.


There is no Scripture in the entire New Testament which suggests that Gentile Christians become "spiritual Jews" or "spiritual Israel." Such an idea begins quickly to confuse the hermeneutical principles concerning the dispensations, the covenants, and ethnic division. The logical outgrowth of this erroneous interpretation is to deny the nation of Israel any future in God's dealings and to reinterpret all the Old Testament prophecies having to do with Israel as referring in some spiritual way to the church.


Actually, the Romans 2:28-29 passage reveals that physical ancestry alone is not enough to qualify one to be a true Jew (Israelite). Sincerity of heart must be coupled with physical descent. This is what is meant by Paul's statement in Romans 9:6: "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel." In other words, not all who are physically descended from Israel are actually true Israelites. True Israelites are those who have both physical and spiritual descent.


This clarifies Paul's statement in Romans 11:26: "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. " This is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled in God's future dealings with Israel. It certainly does not mean that every physical descendant of Israel who has ever lived will be saved, nor even that all of them living at the time the prophecy is to be fulfilled will be saved. What it does mean is that all the physical descendants of Israel who are living at that time and who have a true heart after God, responding in faith to the Messiah, shall be saved. These will be those who, from faith, call on the name of the Lord; they are the remnant. (See Joel 2:32.)

[UnTraditional]

The Church is God's only chosen people. One God, one people, of all nations. It is not about race, but about grace.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't know if this ever got posted but this is what DS said

A clear shift is seen in Romans 2:28-29:
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. "


This passage is often misinterpreted to mean that Christians are "spiritual Jews." This is not the point at all.


There is no Scripture in the entire New Testament which suggests that Gentile Christians become "spiritual Jews" or "spiritual Israel." Such an idea begins quickly to confuse the hermeneutical principles concerning the dispensations, the covenants, and ethnic division. The logical outgrowth of this erroneous interpretation is to deny the nation of Israel any future in God's dealings and to reinterpret all the Old Testament prophecies having to do with Israel as referring in some spiritual way to the church.


Actually, the Romans 2:28-29 passage reveals that physical ancestry alone is not enough to qualify one to be a true Jew (Israelite). Sincerity of heart must be coupled with physical descent. This is what is meant by Paul's statement in Romans 9:6: "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel." In other words, not all who are physically descended from Israel are actually true Israelites. True Israelites are those who have both physical and spiritual descent.


This clarifies Paul's statement in Romans 11:26: "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. " This is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled in God's future dealings with Israel. It certainly does not mean that every physical descendant of Israel who has ever lived will be saved, nor even that all of them living at the time the prophecy is to be fulfilled will be saved. What it does mean is that all the physical descendants of Israel who are living at that time and who have a true heart after God, responding in faith to the Messiah, shall be saved. These will be those who, from faith, call on the name of the Lord; they are the remnant. (See Joel 2:32.)

Gal 4 and Gal 6 blows DS's words away, IMHO. We read that Isaac and Ishmael were like the Christians and the unbelieving Jews. In other words, saved Gentiles are more ISRAEL than unsaved Jews. And with that in mind, Gal 6 later speaks of the ISRAEL OF GOD. If one refuses to see saved Gentiles are included in that statement due to the context of the previous chapter 4, one does not want to see the picture.

[Monarchianism]

Converts to Judaism call themselves Jewish, even though they are not natural-born.
Receiving the Spirit makes one a son of God. Would this not make them a Jew inwardly?
You probably hear that "the Jews are God's chosen" people. Many are called, few chosen.
If receiving the Spirit makes one chosen, then why wouldn't a Gentile be a Spiritual Jew?
Btw, everyone seems to think I am male. I am not. I am a 19 yr. old female.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Monarchianism

Converts to Judaism call themselves Jewish, even though they are not natural-born.
Receiving the Spirit makes one a son of God. Would this not make them a Jew inwardly?
You probably hear that "the Jews are God's chosen" people. Many are called, few chosen.
If receiving the Spirit makes one chosen, then why wouldn't a Gentile be a Spiritual Jew?
Btw, everyone seems to think I am male. I am not. I am a 19 yr. old female.

Right, "Jew" is a religious term and has nothing to do with race. The Jews themselves cannot seem to get that across to people. Hitler propagated the race issue and people still think like Hitler, even though they may not persecute the Jews. JEW is like CATHOLIC or APOSTOLIC or even HINDU. It is a title given to religious adherents to Judaism.