Television Issue!

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

So I'm guessing NOW specifically has the ministers in mind. I tend to agree with NOW on this matter though. If a minister signs an oath of compliance to the articles of faith and then goes home does otherwise, that's not a good example to his flock. That would be hypocritical.

Just sayin'

If the manual said what NOW is claiming yes but he fails to see that the manual leaves the door open for limited viewing.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

If the manual said what NOW is claiming yes but he fails to see that the manual leaves the door open for limited viewing.

Your right, it actually does, in a loophole sort of way. This just says that writers of the original statement didn't think what they were writing completely through.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by notofworks

It doesn't matter how I interpret these things, it only matters what YOUR SYSTEM SAYS....and THEY call certain things worldly, then name it, and they call it out with absolute specificity. If you willingly participate in those things, you appear to be a complete hypocrite.

Name calling? Your saying that I'm going against the manual when I'm pointing out to you its possible to have a TV for the limited viewing that they list and you fail to recognize that. Furthermore I don't sign this statement my friend so therefore you have no moral reasoning for calling me anything.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Actually I have known families to fragment because the husband watched too much TV. They lose their intimate connection.

As far as internet being worse, thats debatable. With HBO, Cinemax, and new digital cable's porn rent a flick service on demand; cable is the same as far as content in my opinion.

However the argument is that internet is a pick your own poison rather than turn to a channel and let them pick your poison; if thats makes any sense. The UPC is consistent as they do encourage filters on the internet.

They are? Why don't they just encourage filters on TV, then? Did you know that cable companies will put filters in place to block out certain channels? We had that done before we had satellite--the cable company filtered out MTV, BET, Comedy Central and several others at my request. Satellite is even EASIER to filter, since I can go into the settings and block any channels that we don't watch. The kids can't even see the titles of the missing channels.

PPV comes with all kinds of stuff on a satellite package--I'll concede that. But you can block it from the parental controls menu very easily. 100% blocked. Zero accessibility except for the person who knows the password. (In our house, I'm the only one who knows it.) PLUS, you can't watch bad stuff on PPV without it showing up on your bill for your spouse to see, so the accountability factor is already built in. IOW, our kids don't channel surf and come across titles of inappropriate shows. I have it set up to where our TV is 100% safe for them. I'm WAY more concerned about what they can access online, because I have yet to use a filter that is 100% foolproof, and/or difficult to get past. Maybe for 5 year olds--but not for teenagers.

We don't have HBO, Showtime, etc. We rent movies from PPV, Amazon on Demand, Blockbuster online, or watch instant play on Netflix. Going to a video store is completely unnecessary, because we can either watch movies instantly via the INTERNET, or we can order them via PPV on our TV.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Your right, it actually does, in a loophole sort of way. This just says that writers of the original statement didn't think what they were writing completely through.

exactly which is why I think they need to update it. Now if you could help me show NOW this so he doesn't continue to belief falsely I'm a hypocrite, that'd be helpful. (since I'm not licensed in the UPC anyway)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Good argument from a non UPC stance. There are many logical arguments for not having a cable/satellite TV in my opinion. (one of them is my wallet).

On a moral issue I think the heart is in the bolded of your post. The same content is on both and while the internet has it readily accessible, you pick and choose whether you indulge in poison or flowers. The UPC is consistent in that it strongly advises filters for the internet. They are not necessarily completely hypocritical on it.

You pick and choose with TV to. I don't watch commercials very often and even if I did, commercials? Really? I saw a commercial the other day abut toilet paper...,man that made me feel really guilty and want to run out and fornicate.

While on the other hand there are thousands and thousands of porn sites anyone can visit on the internet...commercial free!

The statistics are truly staggering. According to compiled numbers from respected news and research organizations, every second $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography. Every second 28,258 internet users are viewing pornography. In that same second 372 internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines. Every 39 minutes a new pornographic video is being created in the U.S.

It’s big business. The pornography industry has larger revenues than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined. 2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues ballooned to $97.06 billion. 2006 & 2005 U.S. Pornography Industry Revenue Statistics, 2006 Top Adult Search Requests, 2006 Search Engine Request Trends are some of the other statistics revealed here.


The amount of pornography on the internet can be difficult to fathom. A total of 4.2 million websites contain pornography. That is 12 percent of the total number of websites. There are 100,000 websites that offer pornography and 1 in 7 youths report being solicited for sex on the internet.


Some incredible statistics here
http://internet-filter-review.topten...tatistics.html

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

They are? Why don't they just encourage filters on TV, then?

Good question for the board. I think the reply would be, why open up the door for anything else that isn't necessary?

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You pick and choose with TV to. I don't watch commercials very often and even if I did, commercials? Really? I saw a commercial the other day abut toilet paper...,man that made me feel really guilty and want to run out and fornicate.

While on the other hand there are thousands and thousands of porn sites anyone can visit on the internet...commercial free!

The statistics are truly staggering. According to compiled numbers from respected news and research organizations, every second $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography. Every second 28,258 internet users are viewing pornography. In that same second 372 internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines. Every 39 minutes a new pornographic video is being created in the U.S.

It’s big business. The pornography industry has larger revenues than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple and Netflix combined. 2006 Worldwide Pornography Revenues ballooned to $97.06 billion. 2006 & 2005 U.S. Pornography Industry Revenue Statistics, 2006 Top Adult Search Requests, 2006 Search Engine Request Trends are some of the other statistics revealed here.


The amount of pornography on the internet can be difficult to fathom. A total of 4.2 million websites contain pornography. That is 12 percent of the total number of websites. There are 100,000 websites that offer pornography and 1 in 7 youths report being solicited for sex on the internet.


Some incredible statistics here
http://internet-filter-review.topten...tatistics.html

And this changes how? Have you done a study on TV porn also? Does that change the fact that TV itself spoon feeds you while you flip through channels to try and find something good to watch.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by notofworks

My thought is, your blatant disobedience to what the guidelines of your organization demand, isn't pleasing to God. If you have Charter cable TV while the Article of Faith clearly state that it's "Disapproved of", you should do the honorable thing and get rid of it, or be honest with yourself and leave the UPC.

Unless you are a licensed minister the only thing you are disobedient to is if you have a pastor that says "You better not, or else" type of preaching.

The AOF says "we disapprove of"...big deal. I acknowledge someone in the UPC disapproves of. The UPC does not, as an org, have the power to forbid anyone other than licensed minsters to do anything

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by notofworks

My thought is, your blatant disobedience to what the guidelines of your organization demand, isn't pleasing to God. If you have Charter cable TV while the Article of Faith clearly state that it's "Disapproved of", you should do the honorable thing and get rid of it, or be honest with yourself and leave the UPC.

BTW why can't you guys just discuss the topic without turning it into a finger pointing contest where you judge these guys. Somedays I think you liberals are worse than the UCs