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Old 03-29-2011, 11:08 AM
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Re: Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

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People's opinions do not change the ultimate goal for God and for us. Relationship is required to get there. God desires relationship with us, both here and there. That the goal of relationship is to lead us to the promised land.
Nice OT tie-in.

Where is the Promised Land. What is it? What is it like? What say ye?
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Old 03-29-2011, 11:09 AM
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I Peter 1' 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and adideth for ever. That takes place the moment that a sinner repents by faith under the power of the Holy Ghost drawing him. Jesus said;
John 6; 44, No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:39,And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me, that of ALL which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
VERSE 39, And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
Acts 2:38, Romans 6:1-7, Romans 8:9-11, John 3:16, John 3:17-21, etc.

I mean we could go on

1 John chapters 3, 4, 5

We have a whole book for a whole reason, to save us to the uttermost.
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Acts 2:38, Romans 6:1-7, Romans 8:9-11, John 3:16, John 3:17-21, etc.

I mean we could go on

1 John chapters 3, 4, 5

We have a whole book for a whole reason, to save us to the uttermost.


Before there was a book, they were saved to the innermost? What does this "uttermost" business mean?

Good scriptures. Careful not to present every scripture as an "add-on" to Grace when it need not be though.
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If water has regenerative power for the cleansing of sin before the Holy Ghost can enter, ( And all of you know the Holy Ghost cannot enter an unclean vessel) then in the case of the 10th chapter of Acts there is a controversial issue concerning the administration of the Spirit to Cornelius.
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Nice OT tie-in.

Where is the Promised Land. What is it? What is it like? What say ye?
The same place Abraham was looking for..


Hebrews 11


Faith enabled Abraham to become a father, even though he was old and Sarah had never been able to have children. Abraham trusted that God would keep his promise. 12Abraham was as good as dead. Yet, from this man came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the grains of sand on the seashore.

13All these people died having faith. They didn’t receive the things that God had promised them, but they saw these things coming in the distant future and rejoiced. They acknowledged that they were living as strangers with no permanent home on earth. 14Those who say such things make it clear that they are looking for their own country. 15If they had been thinking about the country that they had left, they could have found a way to go back. 16Instead, these men were longing for a better country—a heavenly country. That is why God is not ashamed to be called their God. He has prepared a city for them.



Revelation 22


1I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone. 2Then I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, dressed like a bride ready for her husband. 3I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “God lives with humans! God will make his home with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them and be their God. 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There won’t be any more death. There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain, because the first things have disappeared.”
5The one sitting on the throne said, “I am making everything new.”
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Before there was a book, they were saved to the innermost? What does this "uttermost" business mean?

Good scriptures. Careful not to present every scripture as an "add-on" to Grace when it need not be though.
See, there's saved, and then there's really saved. There is probably also really, really saved. Etc.
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If water has regenerative power for the cleansing of sin before the Holy Ghost can enter, ( And all of you know the Holy Ghost cannot enter an unclean vessel) then in the case of the 10th chapter of Acts there is a controversial issue concerning the administration of the Spirit to Cornelius.
Thats why Peter said what he did in 1 Peter 3,

baptism is not washing the filth of the flesh, its the answer of a good conscience toward God

Paul taught when we died we are put into Christ's death. Baptism deals with the remission of sins, not the remission of your sins

Baptism deals with the sin nature, repentance deals with sins themselves.
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The same place Abraham was looking for..


Hebrews 11


Faith enabled Abraham to become a father, even though he was old and Sarah had never been able to have children. Abraham trusted that God would keep his promise. 12Abraham was as good as dead. Yet, from this man came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the grains of sand on the seashore.

13All these people died having faith. They didn’t receive the things that God had promised them, but they saw these things coming in the distant future and rejoiced. They acknowledged that they were living as strangers with no permanent home on earth. 14Those who say such things make it clear that they are looking for their own country. 15If they had been thinking about the country that they had left, they could have found a way to go back. 16Instead, these men were longing for a better country—a heavenly country. That is why God is not ashamed to be called their God. He has prepared a city for them.



Revelation 22


1I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone. 2Then I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, dressed like a bride ready for her husband. 3I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “God lives with humans! God will make his home with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them and be their God. 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There won’t be any more death. There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain, because the first things have disappeared.”
5The one sitting on the throne said, “I am making everything new.”
It's an interesting tension between our future Hope, and the Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven (now).

We are saved to share with the nations, to be part of that redemption that brings about a New Earth, the New Jerusalem coming down from God, us the Church, his visible Bride, his people today.
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Before there was a book, they were saved to the innermost? What does this "uttermost" business mean?

Good scriptures. Careful not to present every scripture as an "add-on" to Grace when it need not be though.
haven't you ever heard of saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost?
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It's an interesting tension between our future Hope, and the Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven (now).

We are saved to share with the nations, to be part of that redemption that brings about a New Earth, the New Jerusalem coming down from God, us the Church, his visible Bride, his people today.
Yes which means to share in the kingdom of heaven, eternal life, so that you and I don't hear, Depart from me, on that day of Judgement.
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