Was Jesus born again?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

No I see it like you. I do not think Adam had a sin nature until he made the choice to sin.



What you are asking is not possible. All men have sinned. There can't be anyone that hasn't sinned that lived enough to sin.

Understood, but still, what if a man born of Adam never sinned? I am only asking a WHAT IF.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Understood, but still, what if a man born of Adam never sinned? I am only asking a WHAT IF.

But thats like asking What IF water is dry, not wet. Or what If the World is really flat? Its just not possible.

I like Science Fiction sometimes. They have a lot of what ifs but I understand its all fantasy and cannot be real. When it comes to faith and Christ, I don't believe we should consider what ifs when in fact the scripture plainly tells us there are no exceptions that all men have sinned.

But an infant for example.. If they would die, I don't necessarily believe they have sinned. So I guess if thats a what if, then sure. However like you, Christ died for all, including infants.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

But thats like asking What IF water is dry, not wet. Or what If the World is really flat? Its just not possible.

(sigh) lol. Come on. It's not that hard.

I am trying to determine if you believe only a sin committed people, themselves, will send a person to hell and not the sin nature in and of itself given from Adam.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Who is Nee?

Watchman Nee. He was spot-on about Romans 6-7 as far as I am concerned. BEST treatment on the subject I ever saw.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Understood, but still, what if a man born of Adam never sinned? I am only asking a WHAT IF.

Well he would have obtained eternal life. Your point?

[LUKE2447]

show me when this "sin nature" was given in the garden. Nowhere does scripture say that.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Watchman Nee. He was spot-on about Romans 6-7 as far as I am concerned. BEST treatment on the subject I ever saw.

How many books of varying views have your read on this subject Blume?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Who is Nee?

A OSAS believing Arminian.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by jfrog

When did Jesus first believe? At physical birth? Or at sometime after physical birth?

Bump for Praxeas!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Well, then, tell me how Acts 13 is a different thing but yet uses the term BEGOTTEN? I asked you that many times over already.

And I answered you over and over and over lol. How many times do I need to answer? Acts 13 is speaking about the RESURRECTION.

It's NOT the same kind of BIRTH that Jn 3:3-5 is speaking of.

One is speaking about a Spiritual change, resulting in being saved and the other is speaking of being resurrected.

Lazarus was not born again when he was resurrected. He was raised from the dead.

2 different things. How many times do I need to repeat that? lol

If you insist that every time the word "begotten" appears it means born again then the bible is just a silly contradiction

Look up how many times the word born and begotten is used and tell me it means "born again" as Jesus meant it in Jn 3...that's absurd. It's referring to something different

This is like the 5th time I've posted this