ACTS.2:38 Main Message Or Altar Call ?

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Ok, How about your analogy of:

Repentance - Death
Baptism - Burial
Holy Ghost infilling - Resurrection

How does your analogy fit in the case of Cornelius in Acts 10. Why was Cornelius buried since he had already resurrected?

Chronological order is irrelevant. If we were speaking of a physical death, burial, and resurrection that would be different.

I received the Holy Ghost 4 years before i was baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ. If i had not received the Holy Ghost i would have never been led to truth concerning baptism. It was His Spirit that led me.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

How can you obey the gospel? How is that possible? Did you mean believe the gospel?

The gospel is not something to be obeyed. It is something to believed.

Mark 16
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Believing and obeying ties hand in hand. Great verse by the way...not sure how you could use that to say baptism is not neccessary tho..

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Very Good! Keeping his words = loving him. Did you notice that it is then that he makes his abode with us? If any man hath not the Spirit of Christ he is none of His. Not yet anyway..

The blood must be applied for grace to be received. I obeyed the Gospel because I loved him. Not to escape Hell. If i didnt love Him i would not have obeyed, would not have received the grace that was freely offered on the cross...and would not have escaped Hell.

The blood for atonement was offered at the Cross. Our sins were remitted there.

Do you mean "believed" the Gospel? To believe is to obey.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Believing and obeying ties hand in hand. Great verse by the way...not sure how you could use that to say baptism is not neccessary tho..

I never said Baptism is not necessary...

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Chronological order is irrelevant. If we were speaking of a physical death, burial, and resurrection that would be different.

I received the Holy Ghost 4 years before i was baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ. If i had not received the Holy Ghost i would have never been led to truth concerning baptism. It was His Spirit that led me.

Praise God for you...

I see Baptism however as the point where we publicly demonstrate our death to our old man and newness of life in Christ Jesus.

Rom 6
3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

...To act out this plan would be pointless if he hadn't already done it. But since he did..he provided a way for us to identify with Him and receive His grace. Faith requires action...according to James anyway

Agreed on the first portion. If of course, you mean that we are accepted first of Christ who has given His grace freely to "whosoever will." We do not earn it. We can identify with it!

James, however, is not referring to the gift of eternal life through salvation when he gives a discourse on faith/works.