Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Hey, we all know you came here to do exactly what you are doing, you wanted a good old lib/uc fuss fight. So, why are you whinnying, now that you have what you wanted. You've made a career of being disagreeable, so just stop whimpering about it. You are not looking for friends or friendship here you came to fight, and this bunch is highly developed in refuting UC's, and are ready and willing to accommodate you.

How loving and kind, thank you.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

How loving and kind, thank you.

Whhhaaaaaaa!!!!!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I thought the liberal, loving way was to always assume the best in others, not zoom in like vultures for the kill. I just said I'd been praying and get devoured. I need no more proof.

I haven't said a thing related to your praying, we all could do more of it!!
But you sure took off on that path, and never did answer the question that I proposed, related to you comment about the meaness of libs.

The folks you call libs, are considered ultra conservative in our everyday settings.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

I think there's a lesson to be learned here.

Maybe something about viciousness in liberals................

Uh, look at your Avatar...Is killing a man, then cutting off his head not vicious?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Some of these folks are dripping with LOVE...

LOVE!!!

LOVE for anyone!!!

LOVE for everyone!!!

Everyone EXCEPT Apostolics that believe in outward standards.

Then the LOVE turns to viscious.........

David was dripping with LOVE when he cut Goliath's head off!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I think it's pretty amazing that I post here that I've been praying and you all turn me into a Pharisee for it. When the day comes when a person can't even mention that he's been praying without being labeled a condescending pharisee, we're in bad shape.

You've posted here 14,000 times, you've talked about being involved in other forums, and you're lecturing me about talking too much.

Old PathsII,
Maybe you didn't read what I posted. Here's the post:

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now, how can you judge one another like that, knowing how much people pray or don't pray?

"long prayers" can be a sign of a hypocrite (Mark 12:40) and so can prayers that contain "much speaking" (Matthew 6:7), but Jesus was known to rise early and go off by Himself to pray (Luke 4:42, Mark 1:35) and to pray all night (Luke 6:12)

Kenneth Hagin one time said that if a person talks much he probably prays little
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If you think my post calls you a hypocrite, please accept my apology. I would not call you a hypocrite. I may not agree with you on some things but I would not attempt to judge what's in your heart. Only our Lord can judge our hearts and motives. I don't know if you are here as a "troll" or maybe an ultra liberal just saying certain things to rattle people or if you really believe in most or some of the stuff you say. But that doesn't really matter.

This is an "Apostolic" thread. We each have our own private interpretation of what Apostolic is but there are also guidelines and rules here which define the word loosely.

Now, back to my post.

Things had gotten a little hot about who was praying and who was not praying. Some pretty sharp words were being bandied about. My post was trying to say that we can't judge one another about the length of each other's prayers --their length, intensity, or effectivity. I think that is something personal between each of us and our Lord.

I then went on to say that long prayers could be a mark of a hypocrite and referenced that Jesus had said that. Again, it is the motive behind the length of a person's prayers and we can't discern/judge that. Then I pointed out that Jesus was a man of prayer and spent lots of time in prayer, --so spending lots of time praying does not mean a person IS a hypocrite.

Then, I posted a quote by Kenneth Hagin in which he stated that if a person talks much he probably prays little. That was his observation and there is probably some truth in it.

Then you mentioned my multiple posts and that I am also on other forums so I shouldn't lecture you on talking too much. Well, I wasn't lecturing you. I did not say you were talking too much. And, you are right that at times I spend too much time on forums --time that could be managed better. There have been times when I have absented myself from AFF and Facebook to devote more time to the Word and to prayer. I'll admit that forums can become addictive and some times I have to "fast" these forums (along with some other stuff like chocolate or cookies or candy to which I am also addicted).

So, after all these words, I do not want to offend you or alienate you. I believe we can disagree without being disagreeable. I know that some times my posts can be caustic and flip and some times I post the way I do just to provoke a response, but I hope I don't stoop to name calling or to judging anyone's motives.

If you have been offended by anything I have posted, contact me and point out the post. OK?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

David was dripping with LOVE when he cut Goliath's head off!

Correct!
The love of God and God's people!

[Ferd]

oh well... this thread actually had some potential. i see it has turned into a quagmire.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Ferd

oh well... this thread actually had some potential. i see it has turned into a quagmire.

the one from family guy???

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I've expressed some dismay at the heavy criticism here when all I've done is promote the basic Acts2:38 New Birth message. It's basics of belief in repentance, baptism in water in Jesus' name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking with other tongues.

So could I get an idea of what's here at AFF and just see what people believe by asking these questions?

1: Do you believe that water baptism must be done in the name of Jesus and that any other baptism is not a valid baptism?

I personally am not aware of any group that practices a Christian baptism that does not "baptize in Jesus' name." Listen to what's being said (or read from some dusty old liturgy). They all baptize in Jesus' name - at least every one I've ever encountered.

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

2: Do you believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is evidenced only by speaking with other tongues?

No. While the phrase "evidence" is never associated with the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the NT, we do read that the Christian life is at least expected to produce many sorts of "evidence" that the individual has been born of God. This is often referred to as the "Fruit of the Spirit" (and there are 9 listed in Galatians 5:22-23). The teachings of the Apostles is replete with many other examples. Nowhere do we find "speaking in tongues" identified as "evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit" as you have claimed.

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

3: Do you believe these things are absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?

I believe the corrections I have made to your misunderstandings of the Word are necessary to be considered a part of the Body of Christ. The only thing that I can find that would fit the phrase, "absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?" would be that someone MUST be saved by the Savior.

That's your only hope and assurance. Jesus saves. Without Him we are all lost. Adding to the teachings of Jesus Christ and his Apostles as you have done does put one on rather shaky ground, however (Revelation 22:18).

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves?

The "traditional pentecostal holiness" is NOT what you have claimed it to be. Many old time churches (like Emmanuel Pentecostal Church in Mesquite, TX) were in fact founded by female evangelists who not only cut their hair - but in the case of EPC's founder Bertha Clinton, had bobbed hair of the style fashionable in the 1920s.

In the case of the EPC church linked to above - Pastor Flowers had to take down the photo of Bertha Clinton after his church had hosted the funeral for Cleveland Becton, former Sec. Gen. of the UPC. Today, we just can't show those "bobbed hair women" from our history any longer. I'm sorry that I didn't do a screen capture of the EPC website at the time of Bro. Becton's funeral. Maybe someone else has a pic of Sister Bertha Clinton? Contact me if you do. Thanks!

Consider also, Sarah E. Thistlethwaite Parham - the wife and biographer of the founder of the Apostolic Faith Movement, Charles Fox Parham:



Consider also, Olive Haney, mother of a UPC General Superintendent. In this pic she is shown at the time her parents were missionaries to Japan - among the very first Apostolic Missionaries:

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

5: Do you believe a trinitarian will go to heaven?

Define "trinitarian?"

The problem here OP Deuce, isn't that we all have somehow failed to maintain your "standards" for what you consider to be "Apostolic." The problem is that you are largely ignorant of Apostolic history and what it means to be "Apostolic."

Consider the following picture. That is Charles Fox Parham again - seated in the middle, surrounded by his students. We'll leave off commenting on all of the facial hair since you didn't bring it up. However, everyone in this picture was a Trinitarian. The teacher, his wife and all of the students. Even the guy holding the banner that reads "Apostolic" is a Trinitarian.