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Old 02-17-2011, 05:07 PM
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Yeah, but do you believe it is necessary for salvation?

I hereby make a second declaration to all mankind that I believe repentance is necessary for salvation!

Except ye repent you'll all perish so turn your heathen hearts back to God through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ!
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Well, I don't know, the first post after I said that is Socialite making fun and laughing.

Shorts may not have been the best example but I do believe they are immodest and certain kinds of shorts most definitely are. But in any of these cases it seems the wise and prudent approach is to avoid the things that could lead us into problem areas and just stay away. What difference, really, does it make if I get to wear shorts or not? ARe shorts really worth fighting for? Or any of the other things? I'm not interested in how much I can do and not sin, I'm interested in staying as far away from it as possible!

Some seem to almost take pride in what they're able to do, not realizing they're headed for danger. I would just as soon stay from it all. I'm not missing a thing and filled with the joy of the Lord!
And Blume laughed at Adino's position concerning Repentance. Aren't we all big boys here? Is it that deep? Really?

Wear your sweat pants when you play ball and swim bro. More power to you!
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I hereby make a second declaration to all mankind that I believe repentance is necessary for salvation!

Except ye repent you'll all perish so turn your heathen hearts back to God through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ!
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Old 02-17-2011, 05:08 PM
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I never called you a Big Baby. I did use the Forums smiley list, so talk to Admin about the the guy with the hanky or the violin if you don't like my posts.

I'm not angry...

Wait, am I hearing you right? You condemn people because of wearing lip gloss, yet people can eat until their body falls apart, inside and out, and you think that's OK????

See, you're cornered with, hold your breath ladies and gentlemen, THE FACTS!

You accept one thing that is wrong, but not another. This is exactly what happens with people who try to build a Religious Utopia. It’s not long, and human failure begins to rise up within a Religious circle. There is no avoiding this. It is the plight of every Faith. This leads to justifying these rising faults within a Religion, as long as you don’t violate the main core of beliefs. Before long the faction becomes motivated by Fear, as a movement wants to show no weakness or sign of failing from past dogmatic claims. Out comes the “Smoke and Mirrors” or the fake idea that everything is OK. We hide the suicide, the depression, and the weak behind our “Holiness”.

This whole process creates blindness if mercy isn’t granted to others of differing opinions or failure.

Apostolics have been an arrogant, self righteous bunch in the past, labeling all who don’t follow our idea about Scripture as “Hell Bound”, and this little pile under the carpet has been discovered.

I find it amusing that we can fail to remember who actually murdered Jesus Christ. It wasn’t sinners; it was those who held dear to their hearts the Traditions of Men and who served the Temple with teaching and the Word of God.

We are no different. We can duplicate this same sin.

WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM??? Have I not said repeatedly that I believe gluttony is a sin??? PLEASE stop saying that I think it's ok to overeat!!! Here, let me say this so you can understand:

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN


DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NOW?????
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And Blume laughed at Adino's position concerning Repentance. Aren't we all big boys here? Is it that deep? Really?

Wear your sweat pants when you play ball and swim bro. More power to you!


Thank you, but I'll stay out of the public swimming pools.
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs

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WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM??? Have I not said repeatedly that I believe gluttony is a sin??? PLEASE stop saying that I think it's ok to overeat!!! Here, let me say this so you can understand:

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN

GLUTTONY IS A SIN


DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NOW?????
And obesity is a fruit of gluttony


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Well, kind of. It often times is related at least. And if not gluttony, obesity surely is not the way to keep your body. Not very healthy. And I'm SURE that can put us in hell too.
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Old 02-17-2011, 05:11 PM
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Thank you, but I'll stay out of the public swimming pools.
What about lakes, rivers, creeks, ocean?

Does swimming in front of family members constitute public? And how immodest can we be when there's a blood relation?
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But in any of these cases it seems the wise and prudent approach is to avoid the things that could lead us into problem areas and just stay away. What difference, really, does it make if I get to wear shorts or not? ARe shorts really worth fighting for? Or any of the other things? I'm not interested in how much I can do and not sin, I'm interested in staying as far away from it as possible!

Balance is key.

The bold portion above is double-edged. One can say that a tendency to enforce strict ascetic observances on others is a position of danger as well.
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Old 02-17-2011, 05:12 PM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs

What is immodest about shorts?
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I appreciate that. Here is the approach I take on these things. Can a person make a biblical case that a pair of shorts are literally themselves a sin? Probably not. But it can open the door to things and it can lead us down a path that ends in sin. I believe these principles were established by those before us with wisdom and there isn't a sacrifice I could ever make that would be too much to stay away from the things that would bring damnation to our souls. Therefore, I refrain from and encourage others to refrain from some of these things. Sin costs too much at any price.
my approach is a bit different even while respecting yours... which is very traditional.

as a general rule, I look at all things with the question "can I make a biblical case". I generally stop when I get to "no"

I proceed where the answer is "yes".

I do agree that there are some things that can be doorways to sin "if thy eye offend thee". These things may not be sin themselves but we should guard ourselves very closely.

I teach this very strongly. What I do not do is give examples. I don’t say "like wearing shorts". I don’t do this for multiple reasons.

1. giving a list leads those I am teaching to expect me to define all things they should avoid or do.
2. giving a list will eventually lead to my defense of the unbiblical.
3. giving a list will in all cases cause debate where none should be.
4. giving a list will require someone who has no jeopardy to some item on the list, to make a choice to obey and not do something that makes no sense to them

but more importantly providing a list of do's and don’ts prevents saints from growing and maturing and working out their own salvation.

I spent the better part of an entire Sunday school lesson hitting the necessity of personal boundaries. dealing with the fact that we each had better have limits to our liberty that is well within the boundary of where sin is. Because those boundaries we set save us from reaching the place of sin.

It caused more than a little discomfort and soul searching in all of us.

But I did not give any examples. my examples limit people from gaining their own spiritual understanding of their walk with God.

When you teach people to look at their own life, and listen to GOD as he moves in them, you build Christians that are stronger and who will be far more committed to the things of God and who will develop personal convictions that are vastly stronger than any list we can hand out.

This is where I diverge from many that I walk along beside (maybe even you) but this is a result of having grown up in a moderate, down the middle church that taught people to be grown up Christians instead of handing out a rule book.
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