This forum needs a name change...

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Theophil

That is an excellent point, MB. Those ministers on the other forums are possibly derelict in their duty in that they gave up the fight.

But they must be commended on their perceived duty of flight.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Kyle Stout

maybe former-apostolic friends forum... or ex-apostolic friends forum...

or slander-apostolics.com


what ya think?

This topic comes up from time-to-time and generates a lot of comments - just look at how big the thread has gotten so quickly. LOL.

Kyle, you are obviously either unaware of the history of the Apostolic Faith Movement or you have chosen to set that history aside. A lot of "Apostolics" do that.

For example, consider the way that Emmanuel Pentecostal Church (http://epcmesquite.com) in Mesquite, Texas has just updated their website. On their "History" page they used to have pictures of all the pastors the church had been blessed to have. However, the founding pastor, Sister Bertha Clinton's picture shows (or showed) her with obviously cut hair. I don't know when the picture was taken but she purchased the property for the church in 1941.

Just within the last couple of days that picture was removed - along with all the pictures of the previous pastors. Kind of a sad commentary, but obviously Pastor Flowers and the saints looking after their website either regretted showing their TRUE history, or they were pressured to change their website.

So, sorry to break the news to you Bother Stout, but apparently YOU are the "Ex-Apostolic." Why do you hate your history and the "Old Paths" that your elders walked in?

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

To retain any reasonable claim to be "Apostolic," this forum must hold to the following truths:

• There is One God. This one God reveals Himself as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
  
• The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
  
• Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  
• That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  
• That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
  
• The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

If these truths are allowed to be openly denied, then the forum is not an "Apostolic" forum.

Originally Posted by Socialite

Says you.

I won't let you hijack the voice of the Apostles for what seems to be a narrowly-defined view.

The points that I listed are a quote from the Rules of this forum.

That "narrowly-defined view" is the view upon which this forum is supposed to be founded.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think that you can "contend for the faith" until it becomes unproductive for your personal life. And I, especially, think that we can lose a bit of our tenderness and patience in the continuing battle. And, LOL, I think we need to decide for ourselves whether the battle is productive or not. Many of the Conservative voices haven't left a fight, they have felt it is unproductive, IMO. Why be so at odds day after day?

I actually agree with, PO.

Fighting, arguing, debating is not the life of the Christian.

That said, AFF is a place people can go to weigh out those questions, even if it doesn't become their life 24/7. And the ideal is to have a few voices these can interact with. I think AFF is about 80% lurkers (admin can confirm), and that's probably who gets the most value from the interactions.

Sabbaticals. Breaks. Stepping away. Small doses. Do what you have to. Sometimes this deep reflecting is only in seasons. I get that.

[Encryptus]

Originally Posted by ILG

Why is that third guy milking a cow?

Silly question, have you ever tried milking a bull?

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

To retain any reasonable claim to be "Apostolic," this forum must hold to the following truths:

• There is One God. This one God reveals Himself as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
  
• The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
  
• Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  
• That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  
• That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
  
• The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

If these truths are allowed to be openly denied, then the forum is not an "Apostolic" forum.

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Thou hast spoken. All dissent must now cease.

A question... if this is allowed...

Is any form of debate on any of these issue tantamount to denial?

"Thou hast spoken"????? I quoted the forum rules.

Why would a forum debate the principles upon which it was founded?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

The points that I listed are a quote from the Rules of this forum.

That "narrowly-defined view" is the view upon which this forum is supposed to be founded.

Admin, do those "rules" state, "in order to post here, you must believe ______?"

If so, Stephie has a point.

[missourimary]

I'm not sure the conservative voice has diminished in the year and a half I've been here or not. Sure, a few have left, a few have gone moderate... but some of the most liberal voices that were loud when I first arrived have also left.

At 2,757 posts and an average of 4.2 posts per day, I don't see myself as an obvious contributor or detractor from AFF. I don't read most threads. I wish there were a Bible study thread, where passages could be looked at, one at a time, one per day. But the debates have gotten boring to me, too. When I mentioned contending, it was TIC, not meant to insult or offend anyone.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by pelathais

This topic comes up from time-to-time and generates a lot of comments - just look at how big the thread has gotten so quickly. LOL.

Kyle, you are obviously either unaware of the history of the Apostolic Faith Movement or you have chosen to set that history aside. A lot of "Apostolics" do that.

For example, consider the way that Emmanuel Pentecostal Church (http://epcmesquite.com) in Mesquite, Texas has just updated their website. On their "History" page they used to have pictures of all the pastors the church had been blessed to have. However, the founding pastor, Sister Bertha Clinton's picture shows (or showed) her with obviously cut hair. I don't know when the picture was taken but she purchased the property for the church in 1941.

Just within the last couple of days that picture was removed - along with all the pictures of the previous pastors. Kind of a sad commentary, but obviously Pastor Flowers and the saints looking after their website either regretted showing their TRUE history, or they were pressured to change their website.

So, sorry to break the news to you Bother Stout, but apparently YOU are the "Ex-Apostolic." Why do you hate your history and the "Old Paths" that your elders walked in?

A lot of validity in what you say here. Revisionism...it can be very ugly, not to mention hypocritical.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think that you can "contend for the faith" until it becomes unproductive for your personal life. And I, especially, think that we can lose a bit of our tenderness and patience in the continuing battle. And, LOL, I think we need to decide for ourselves whether the battle is productive or not. Many of the Conservative voices haven't left a fight, they have felt it is unproductive, IMO. Why be so at odds day after day?

Luke 9
4 “Whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And whoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet as a testimony against them.”