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Old 12-28-2010, 01:12 PM
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Re: Republican or Democrat?

How about neither one? I'm independent and look at both sides with a fiscal stance. We, as a country, cannot bailout this and bailout that (citizens and corporate America alike). How can one expect America to survive on increased debt? A business sure can't survive without necessary monies and resources. So, as far as I'm concerned, the jack arses on the left and the fat arses on the right can come right down the middle and kiss my arse 'cause neither side has proven yet that they can pull us out of the mess we've been in, 8 years ago, before then, or even now.
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Old 12-28-2010, 01:13 PM
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I doubt if Roe v. Wade will be reversed.
It will take the correct ratio of justices who feel that it's bad law to begin with.
And if that happens, it'll go back to the states where it belonged in the first place.
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:06 PM
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It will take the correct ratio of justices who feel that it's bad law to begin with.
And if that happens, it'll go back to the states where it belonged in the first place.
Roe vs wade was not exactly law. It was ruling on existing law.

Norma Mccorvey or what ever her real name was, lied in court,. She didn't abort.

She returned to Dallas, where friends advised her to assert falsely that she had been raped, as she would then be eligible to obtain a legal abortion (with the understanding that Texas's anti-abortion laws allowed abortion in the cases of rape and incest). Due to lack of police evidence or documentation, the scheme was not successful and McCorvey would later admit the situation was a fabrication

In her first book, the 1994 autobiography, I Am Roe, McCorvey wrote of her sexuality. For many years, she had lived quietly in Dallas with her long-time partner, Connie Gonzales. "We're not like other lesbians, going to bars," she explained in a New York Times interview. "We're lesbians together. We're homers."[1] That same year, she converted to Christianity and expressed remorse for her part in the Supreme Court decision. McCorvey has worked as part of the pro-life movement, such as Operation Rescue.

At a signing of I Am Roe, McCorvey was befriended by evangelical minister Flip Benham.[10] She was baptized on August 8, 1995, by Benham in a Dallas, Texas, backyard swimming pool, an event that was filmed for national television. Two days later she announced that she had become an advocate of Operation Rescue's campaign to make abortion illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_McCorvey
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:34 PM
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I believe Souter was a great disappointment to George H., but he did appoint Clarence Thomas in spite of the ugly battle that ensued.

Look what happend to Bork when Reagan tried to get him appointed.

And further, look what happened to the numerous pro-life judges George W. tried to get appointed to the federal bench.

It isn't all that easy to get past the politics of abortion within the senate. Those dems are fiercely protective of abortion rights and some RINOS as well.

So, what exactly is the ratio you're talking about?
Before Obama took office, ten justices had been appointed to the Supreme Court since Roe v Wade. Eight of the ten were appointed by Republicans. At the time that Obama took office, seven of the nine sitting justices were Republican appointed. That's a pretty overwhelming ratio in my book.

Either way, those who have been here for a while know my stance on partisan politics and how politicians use it play both ends against the middle.
That is the rabbit hole and dead horse I wish to avoid.
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:36 PM
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THE FIRST KEY TACTIC WAS TO CAPTURE THE MEDIA
We persuaded the media that the cause of permissive abortion was a liberal enlightened,
sophisticated one. Knowing that if a true poll were taken, we would be soundly defeated,
we simply fabricated the results of fictional polls. We announced to the media that we
had taken polls and that 60% of Americans were in favour of permissive abortion. This is
the tactic of the self-fulfilling lie. Few people care to be in the minority. We aroused
enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of
illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000 but
the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1,000,000. Repeating the big lie often
enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around
200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false
figures took root in the consciousness of Americans convincing many that we needed to
crack the abortion law. Another myth we fed to the public through the media was that
legalising abortion would only mean that the abortions taking place illegally would then
be done legally. In fact, of course, abortion is now being used as a primary method of
birth control in the U.S. and the annual number of abortions has increased by 1500% since
legalisation.
It took lies to get this past the American public.
Dr. Bernard Nathanson was one of the founders of NARAL.

http://www.aboutabortions.com/Confess.html
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:40 PM
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Before Obama took office, ten justices had been appointed to the Supreme Court since Roe v Wade. Eight of the ten were appointed by Republicans. At the time that Obama took office, seven of the nine sitting justices were Republican appointed. That's a pretty overwhelming ratio in my book.

Either way, those who have been here for a while know my stance on partisan politics and how politicians use it play both ends against the middle.
That is the rabbit hole and dead horse I wish to avoid.
So, you have no time for either party when it comes to abortion, is that what you're saying?

Is there any room in your judgement concerning the justices for those appointed by repubs to have been mis-taken and disappointed on their appointments?
How many of those appointed by repubs were there pre-RvW? I really don't know.
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Old 12-28-2010, 05:49 PM
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Before Obama took office, ten justices had been appointed to the Supreme Court since Roe v Wade. Eight of the ten were appointed by Republicans. At the time that Obama took office, seven of the nine sitting justices were Republican appointed. That's a pretty overwhelming ratio in my book.

Either way, those who have been here for a while know my stance on partisan politics and how politicians use it play both ends against the middle.
That is the rabbit hole and dead horse I wish to avoid.
ts - I do sometimes wonder if Sis. Alvear's stance on politics is the correct one that we as Christian's should have.
Politics is very devisive, even within the Christian community.
And particularly between the different races within the Christian community.
I grew up as a very political person, loved politics and was very active in it.
I started out as a liberal Democrat and now have moved to the other side of the circle.
So, individuals who do not have a well thought out line of reasoning, no matter which side, do still aggravate me more than they should.
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