A good article

[aegsm76]

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...r-davis-hanson

[coadie]

That is an accurate article about destroying California, turning it in to a waste dump and destroying farming.

[Jermyn Davidson]

What a great read!

[Hoovie]

He is a good writer. Most wanting to say those things would not be published. He makes his point with tact and accuracy I think.

[Walks_in_islam]

One should study the history of water development and indeed the development of the State of California before making these claims. The water for farming and infrastructure / power supplies for the California economy was provided to the state for decades at subsidized rates at the expense of taxpayers. Suddenly the state has reached an infrastructure limit and without these continued subsidies the state has come to realize that it cannot survive.

One should question when and how does vast farmland spring up in a desert? The answer is at the expense of taxpayers.

The California economy was artificial to begin with and they are beginning to start the long spiral down to present value. It will be a long and painful ride for that state.

Below is an excellent book on the history of water development in the West and the payout/investment cost vs. the price that these resources were provided. It is quite evident that the large programs that sprung up after the Great Depression created "value bubbles" that cannot be sustained indefinitely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Desert

[aegsm76]

Wii - I agree with some of what you say, but it does not apply to the entire situation in Cali.
Any development that is done by the government is at the expense of the taxpayers.
However, some developments will have a period where they will actually payback more that the cost of the development.
It is not the continued subsidies being lost that is killing Cali, it is their overall philosophy on society and business.
As for being artificial, the city of Los Angeles is totally depended on "artificial" water.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

One should study the history of water development and indeed the development of the State of California before making these claims. The water for farming and infrastructure / power supplies for the California economy was provided to the state for decades at subsidized rates at the expense of taxpayers. Suddenly the state has reached an infrastructure limit and without these continued subsidies the state has come to realize that it cannot survive.

One should question when and how does vast farmland spring up in a desert? The answer is at the expense of taxpayers.

The California economy was artificial to begin with and they are beginning to start the long spiral down to present value. It will be a long and painful ride for that state.Below is an excellent book on the history of water development in the West and the payout/investment cost vs. the price that these resources were provided. It is quite evident that the large programs that sprung up after the Great Depression created "value bubbles" that cannot be sustained indefinitely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Desert

you don't get it.

In 2007, a federal judge ruled state and federal pumps sending some 6 million acre-feet of delta water south to Kern County and other users each year could wipe out the endangered smelt, a tiny silver fish. The court ruled pumping had to be curtailed by about a third until the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service could weigh in on the problem.

Litigation by greenie weenies cause water formerly for irrigation to be sent to the ocean.
When Jehovah causes rain and snow, it is indended for man to use it wisely.
Civilizations have built aquaducts for thousands of years.
It is not about infrasturucture limits. It is about diverting water directly to the ocean.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...r-davis-hanson

The article mentions farm communities with mostly illegals, poverty and unemployment. Just this week a judge ordered the fish and game commision to revisit their request to restrict pumping irrigation water and protect the smelt fish. I suspect the shame of thinking they will protect a species and actually damaging a large industry won't continue.

http://waterinfo.org/node/4867