Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

[Cindy]

Please excuse my rant, I cannot stand the thought of a child being harmed. And I do know that our laws and court system are doing the best they can, but sometimes it seems like the innocent suffer more than the criminals. Which makes me angry, I know human error is alive and well in our system, but it still stinks!!!!!

[Newman]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Yep, but it is still horrific if any of those children had been abused. Whoopee for the law. And let the guilt of unpunished crimes of innocents be placed on the law and courts. But of course we do that everyday in our country. Have heard the arguement if one innocent is imprisoned how horrible, but gee we gotta let killer's, rapist's, and drug dealer's go because someone messed up. I am sure that really helps the victim's and their families.
Because I can tell you it doesn't.
Maybe we should just become criminals then we don't have to worry about laws and the courts punishing us, take a gamble the cop will probably mess up the bust, or the prosecutor will somehow manage to mess the case up and we can go back to freedom and a life of crime.

I pray that none of those innocent children are harmed but I fear for their safety and their very lives because of what they might have said to outsiders.
But hey that won't matter the law and the courts won, they lost..........My opinions.

cneasttx- I work closely with abused children and that is not what I saw in Texas based on CLOSELY following all accounts of what was occuring and reading the legal documents.

I can't imagine that one can go too many places in America and swoop down on over 400 kids unexpectedly and not find a few with questionable bruises, or stories of molestation or outright neglect. In other words, in comparison to society in general the kids at the ranch seem to be in much better shape.

As hard as CPS has tried to find child abuse in the past 6 weeks, they have come up empty handed but for a couple of pictures that they won't tell the source of (which seems highly suspect to me).

Yes, there were some 16 year old marriages but no protesting brides in a culture where women want to be married and have children as their highest calling. (The real crime to the Feminist Nazis that controlled the fate of these kids).

I may not like what is going on; but it seems better to me than the huge number of unwed teenagers that Texas is known for; and a 25% rate of STD's for teenagers and untold numbers of teenagers having abortions. If Texas wants to clean house; start here.

Remember, the mental health workers who are used to working with abused children were very surprised at how wonderful these children appeared. I think that speaks volumes....

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Newman

cneasttx- I work closely with abused children and that is not what I saw in Texas based on CLOSELY following all accounts of what was occuring and reading the legal documents.

I can't imagine that one can go too many places in America and swoop down on over 400 kids unexpectedly and not find a few with questionable bruises, or stories of molestation or outright neglect. In other words, in comparison to society in general the kids at the ranch seem to be in much better shape.

As hard as CPS has tried to find child abuse in the past 6 weeks, they have come up empty handed but for a couple of pictures that they won't tell the source of (which seems highly suspect to me).

Yes, there were some 16 year old marriages but no protesting brides in a culture where women want to be married and have children as their highest calling. (The real crime to the Feminist Nazis that controlled the fate of these kids).

I may not like what is going on; but it seems better to me than the huge number of unwed teenagers that Texas is known for; and a 25% rate of STD's for teenagers and untold numbers of teenagers having abortions. If Texas wants to clean house; start here.

Remember, the mental health workers who are used to working with abused children were very surprised at how wonderful these children appeared. I think that speaks volumes....

I really know this in my head Newman, I just really hope that all of those kids are safe. That is why I posted my second post about this.
Yes but I also know most abused children are pleasers.
And I also know a lot of sexually abused children act out in ways that children should not know how. Had a case like that in Tyler last month.
But the FLDS children had structure, whereas most abused children really don't.
They may not have been exposed to violent abuse, but that doesn't mean they weren't abused either. And I still believe that any pre-teen girl that is impregnated by an adult has been sexually abused, even if he is her "spiritual husband".
Also any other pre-teen girl from the projects to the wealthy neighborhood that is impregnated by an adult has been sexually abused also.

Even if they thought they were consenting, and in a lot of cases they probably do, I don't agree with that.

[Ron]

The sad thing about this situation is it set a precedent.
As one person said recently, what if Police came to a crowded city park and said that they suspect someone is selling drugs & they cordoned off the park and took everyone into custody.

Freedoms & Liberties are fought hard for but they can be lost very quickly and easily!

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Newman

cneasttx- I work closely with abused children and that is not what I saw in Texas based on CLOSELY following all accounts of what was occuring and reading the legal documents.

I can't imagine that one can go too many places in America and swoop down on over 400 kids unexpectedly and not find a few with questionable bruises, or stories of molestation or outright neglect. In other words, in comparison to society in general the kids at the ranch seem to be in much better shape.

As hard as CPS has tried to find child abuse in the past 6 weeks, they have come up empty handed but for a couple of pictures that they won't tell the source of (which seems highly suspect to me).

Yes, there were some 16 year old marriages but no protesting brides in a culture where women want to be married and have children as their highest calling. (The real crime to the Feminist Nazis that controlled the fate of these kids).

I may not like what is going on; but it seems better to me than the huge number of unwed teenagers that Texas is known for; and a 25% rate of STD's for teenagers and untold numbers of teenagers having abortions. If Texas wants to clean house; start here.Remember, the mental health workers who are used to working with abused children were very surprised at how wonderful these children appeared. I think that speaks volumes....

Yea and Amen.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Ron

The sad thing about this situation is it set a precedent.
As one person said recently, what if Police came to a crowded city park and said that they suspect someone is selling drugs & they cordoned off the park and took everyone into custody.

Freedoms & Liberties are fought hard for but they can be lost very quickly and easily!

You have got to be kidding, the police bust a drug dealer, why would they do that? They would just be wasting time and resources since they could be off arresting burglars and robbers trying to get money to buy drugs with. It's a never ending cycle Ron and it happens every day. Our system has really become laughable. Even CPS and law enforcement in this case messed up, and they are suppose to be trained to do this. And I really don't understand Newman's point about unwed mother's in Texas. But somehow that is probably the state of Texas' fault too.

[Cindy]

My apologies for wrong information. In Texas Judges are elected not appointed, except at the Federal level. Which means I probably voted for some of these people.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

You have got to be kidding, the police bust a drug dealer, why would they do that? They would just be wasting time and resources since they could be off arresting burglars and robbers trying to get money to buy drugs with. It's a never ending cycle Ron and it happens every day. Our system has really become laughable. Even CPS and law enforcement in this case messed up, and they are suppose to be trained to do this. And I really don't understand Newman's point about unwed mother's in Texas. But somehow that is probably the state of Texas' fault too.

The point is this, we are never that far from a police state.
Police officers & Crown Prosecutors (opps you don't have those in Texas)
need to do due diligence before initiating actions as serious as the ones we saw.

Two Coroners inquests in Vancouver involving wrongful deaths are on hold because the Coroner in charge of the inquest supeoned (sp?) some Crown Prosecutors & they are refusing to testify to justify why they did not charge people who later were let go and committed murders.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

My apologies for wrong information. In Texas Judges are elected not appointed, except at the Federal level. Which means I probably voted for some of these people.

Thanks for the correction Cindy.

BTW thank you also for the sentiments you have expressed on this thread.

They give it some much needed balance.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

You have got to be kidding, the police bust a drug dealer, why would they do that? They would just be wasting time and resources since they could be off arresting burglars and robbers trying to get money to buy drugs with. It's a never ending cycle Ron and it happens every day. Our system has really become laughable. Even CPS and law enforcement in this case messed up, and they are suppose to be trained to do this. And I really don't understand Newman's point about unwed mother's in Texas. But somehow that is probably the state of Texas' fault too.

It was a "Hypothetical" situation.