The Current PAJC Beliefs

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Felicity

To me conception is the Word of God preached and planted in the heart and mind and/or the Spirit of God working in a person's life .... i.e. conviction..

That leads to faith and belief that results in repentance .... i.e. spiritual regeneration. Scripture - many of them - testifies and gives credence to this.

The seed of the word of God is concieved in repentance and birthed by water and the Spirit.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

There was a time you said that about some standards ... slippery slope

Nope, never said that about any standards. And I have not changed the way I live one iota. There's really nothing I want to do that I'm not (other than a big screen ).

[Steve Epley]

Good night to all both those who believe the truth and the confused.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The seed of the word of God is concieved in repentance and birthed by water and the Spirit.

Not in my case it wasn't.

Repentance was a DIRECT RESULT of conviction of the Holy Ghost and a knowledge of my sinful condition. I was made spiritually alive by the Holy Ghost before I ever even knew about speaking in tongues in any kind of cognitive way.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Maybe if you could post some scriptures that explain your beliefs it may help some of us to see it. I don't see spiritual regeneration in faith alone in the scriptures.

Faith has to precede spiritual regeneration but where in the Bible do you find spiritual regeneration of be something other than the baptisms of water and Spirit?

I think there is a direct correlation between (Ezekiel 36:24-28) and John 3

It reads:

For I will take you from among the nations,
gather you out of all countries
and bring you into your own Land

Then I will sprinkle clean WATER on you,
and you shall be clean;
I will cleanse you from all your filthiness
and from all your idols.

I will give you a new heart
and put a new SPIRIT within you;
I will take he heart of stone out of your flesh
and give you a heart of FLESH.

I will put My SPIRIT within you
and cause you to walk in My statutes,
and you will keep My judgements and do them.

Then you shall dwell in the Land that I gave to you fathers;
you shall be my people,
and I will be your God.

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This new birth comes from above ... as it is translated from the Aramaic and Greek .... It was the promise of a new covenant that the prophets had spoken about ... Nicodemus knew of it ... the crowd that gathered at Pentecost knew of it ...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Nope, never said that about any standards. And I have not changed the way I live one iota. There's really nothing I want to do that I'm not (other than a big screen ).

but you will not teach what you once believed ... and was taught.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I would not waste my time and the time of folks I have preached to for going on 40 years if I thought for one second anyone would be saved outside this Acts 2:38 message. Why send missionaries?????????????
So I ask again:
Are Catholics saved???????????
Are Mormons saved??????????????
Are JW's saved?????????
Christian Scientists saved????????????
No only OUR family who for some reason did not obey the gospel are saved.
Good Baptists-Methodists-Trinitarian(what a misnomer)Pentecostals are saved.
The disciples after hearing the confused folks on this forum would have asked the question "Who then can be lost."
Crakjak is on the ONLY honest one of the bunch he thinks everyone is going to be saved and y'all are trying to catch up with him. Heaven has enlarged and Hell has shut down.
Maybe if y'all took the time to read the Bible instead of that Calvinist and baptist stuff it might help.
Got to go to church but I will return the Lord willing to fight you Baptist in Pentecostal clothing.

Okay, let's see Bro. Steve, do you make any exceptions? Infants? Mentally disabled folks? Heathen that NEVER came close to hearing you preach or anyone else? Folks that are in the process of the three step? ANY EXCEPTIONS AT ALL??

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Not in my case it wasn't.

Repentance was a DIRECT RESULT of conviction of the Holy Ghost and a knowledge of my sinful condition. I was made spiritually alive by the Holy Ghost before I ever even knew about speaking in tongues in any kind of cognitive way.

There is NO fuss here I certainly believes the Holy Ghost draws and convicts but neither is regeneration or the new birth. Just like flirting is not having a child. But flirting comes first, the Holy Ghost woos us and convicts then the word of God is conceived in our hearts at repentance then the birth.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Good night to all both those who believe the truth and the confused.

Goodnight Bro. Epley. I know you're not going to change your mind about what you understand to be truth but more than you has had mis-understanding and mis-comprehension of what "truth" is.

Somehow or other the Lord puts up with ALL of us regardless of any misperception and miscomprehension of what the TRUTH is. I'm just thankful for what I do know and I know that it works and I'll not ever give up the wonderful truths I do know.

We had a few people receive the Holy Ghost this week. It wouldn't make much sense for me to tell them that they weren't already born again believers before this event took place (re speaking in tongues) .... that's for sure.

Thanks for your participation in this discussion. It always makes for a more interesting one!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

but you will not teach what you once believed ... and was taught.

Partially correct.