Is suicide a sin?

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Amen. Deliverance from depression is as much a physical healing as it is an emotional healing. Sadly, as with any kind of healing, many prayers for healing go unanswered.

these are an indication, to me, that no healing is really needed; meaning that the individual has unaddressed sin, that some probing usually uncovers (by looking for the denial area)

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Originally Posted by jediwill83

Martin Luthor suffered from depression...he has a interesting response to the idea that depression is a result of sin "All who are depressed sin....but all who sin are not depressed."

yup. very nice. right to the point.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I had a friend named Jeff who suffered from severe clinical depression. The church treated him as though he just had the "blues" and wasn't willing to get over it. Sadly, the church made things far worse. I was even admonished not to fellowship him because everything was "in his head" and that he didn't want to "just get over it".

People who haven't really studied the subject from a clinical perspective are often woefully ignorant as to what is going on in the brain of those who suffer from severe depression. Imagine suffering such physical and/or psychological trauma or abuse that your emotions, and the accompanying chemical reactions relating to those emotions, have rewired your brain chemistry and functionality. I was surprised to find out how physiological it was. Some people's brain behaves as though he has suffered physical trauma. The emotions were so strong over such a long period of time, they essentially caused brain damage.

ergo, get control of your emotions, or they will get control of you. I will repeat that it is physically impossible to be depressed on an endorphin rush; unless you do so much coke that you are temporarily out of endorphins, which is possible. i can cure depression in one day. guaranteed. actually just a couple hours. Without fail. This statement usually sends the depressed running in fear, i note. still speaking generally, of course.

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Originally Posted by Sean

But every situation He fixed was HIS way, not my way!

this is a central theme in depression; they want their cake and eat it too. They will, of course, not be able to admit this.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I look at it this way... if someone took a baseball bat to someone's brain and damaged it to where they were locked into a manner of thinking... would we treat it like it could be overcome their brain damage merely with a "change of perspective"? Nope. There must be a "physical" healing involved. Same with severe clinical depression.

i'm sceptical. Or at least, i would begin with a big injection of endorphins, via sweat.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I see them as damaged and hurting people. Not murderers. The motivation for murder is entirely different.

suicide might be considered "neurotic murder," possibly.

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Originally Posted by Sean

Shall we be in a state of contentment or a state of depression?

that is the question; and it is a decision. Granted, at some point a sufferer may have developed some deep ruts to get out of, but nonetheless, they walked in, and the only way out is to walk out, imo.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by shazeep

I will grant the possibility, but i doubt it. "Change your mind" means that it is within your power to do so. I suspect most "mental illness" is a form of Cult of Me.

You're tragically mistaken.

[Aquila]

Interesting short video...

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