Foot washing

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

He hasn't told ME anything... we just have a record of where He told other people things, and a 3rd party wrote them down... but I know that is a big can of worms.

And this?????????????????

And you lecture me about closet agnostics??????????????????

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I figured you'd pull that scripture out of your hat Elder. The things mentioned were in regard to taking on the care of a "widow" not things to do to be saved.

Listed among them were the requirement to have brought up children. She must have lodged strangers,she needed to have relieved the afflicted.

to use this text to try to prove foot washing as salvational is to do great vilonce to the scripture.

You are out of context here Elder.

I have no doubt that widows washed the feet of saints back in that day.
Weary travelers had dirty feet when they arrived as guest at someones house.

All the things mentioned as requirement for a widow, along with humbly washing a guests feet were as Jesus taught in the example of Foot washing in John 13.

Acts of humble service.

Foot washing was a part of the culture of that day..it's plain and simple.

Only one time do we see it as a "religeuos event"


I goot run along now. heading to a leadership retreat in Wisconsin....we will be taking communion tgether...who knows, maybe we'll wash feet too.


Have a happy Day Elder E.

A woman could recieve damnation over this it don't seem cultural to me. Damantion cultural?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

While the verdict is still out on foot washing, I find myself agreeing with the reason behind Elder Epley's words. It's hard for me to explain and why I usually don't say anything much about things like this. lol

Your post is why I think it should be approached cautiously from the pulpit and when addressing new converts.

And, even when taught, I think the emphasis should be on relationship vs rules. But the rules become part of that relationship, and that may be a controversial statement I guess. It's just how it worked in my life in the past. I'm not to that point now, but I was years ago.

I think the only thing a person needs to do to be saved is to seek after God with their whole heart. But, while seeking after God with their whole heart, a person is going to find commands and rules and requirements and do those things, or chose not to. Chosing not to obey is where things start getting a little shaky.

Oh, I also believe that no man can say whether another person is saved, still saved, or never was saved. Only God knows that. I also believe only God can hold a person accountable for obeying a command, because only God knows if the revelation of that command was something a person ever had. Man just can't create a list of rules and expect the revelation to fall on all who hear those rules. Following rules doesn't save anyone, following God does. And, that's my very off topic post in this thread for the day.

I think the simplicity of this act has the sceptics stunned it is not BIG enough or filled with HUMAN LOGIC. Reminds me of Naaman and Jordan.
But when he dipped according to the saying of the man of God. When I washed my brother's feet according to the saying of my Lord & Master. Remember I am the servant He is the Lord & Master how does a servant have the right to change what He said to do?

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by Theophil

Absolutely brilliant and true. Thank you for some excellent posts and wise words. My hat is off to you, OneAccord.

Wow, say it again. I don't hear that too often.

Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Isa 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it [shall be] for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err [therein].


You know, I see life as one big journey. As we travel down this road we come to a STOP SIGN. That stop sign is repentance. God stops us in our tracks at repentance. We stop our sinful life when we repent. We, as Paul said, die to sin. Then, seems, we all go in different directions . Some go right (conservative, some left (Liberal) while others go straight through the middle of the intersection (Moderates). We go. We proceed. We “go on to perfection” as the writer of Hebrews says. We proceed ahead by obeying the law (The Word). As we move forward through baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost, and whatever else the Word teaches us, we have different experiences on this road of life. We are influenced by what we experience, (I.e, what we are taught, etc). Those experiences cause us to place emphasis on different thing. Some emphasize inward holiness, while others emphasize outward holiness, or “standards”. Some place great emphasis on baptism, while others emphasize the Spirit baptism and fruits. And things get a little confusing (at least to others) when we try to give them directions. “You gotta be baptized this way”. “You gotta worship on Saturday”.

But heres the good news. While this road (this gate, this way) is, indeed straight and narrow, and there are only a few who find it… it is, however, a highway… a way of holiness. Unlike some of these “pig trails” we call roads in Alabama, this road of salvation we are on is not rocky, full of pot holes and difficult to maneuver . It isn’t nearly as difficult as we seem to make it. it’s a highway. Narrow, yes… but easy to travel on.

Heres some more good news. Jesus is the way. He’s the Door. If we have entered through the doors, all these roads were traveling on will lead us home. All roads lead home.

What were we taught in school?

STOP Repent

LOOK Look to Jesus, follow His example

LISTEN To the Voice of the Holy Ghost

The old song says, “I’m Using My Bible For A Roadmap”. If the Bible is a road map, then the Holy Ghost is the road signs alonf the way. Follow the Word, obey God’s Spirit and we will make it home.

[OneAccord]

We must be through talking about Footwashing. Sigh. Another, brilliant, excellent and wise post down the tubes.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The example of feetwashing reduced to this and you doubt my observation?

Bring it on... show me whatever so called power or authority you claim to have.... I welcome it, I relish it... I dare you. There is no man who can stop me from asking honest questions any longer... you people who ONLY rule through fear and guilt have no power over me any longer.

Pray me into hell, pray me into a car wreck. I will still be here, I will not go away. I will not be intimidated by the likes of you. In fact, gather every so-called anointed preacher that you know and I challenge you all to make me stop questioning.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

And this?????????????????

And you lecture me about closet agnostics??????????????????

What exactly about the post you quoted from me was inaccurate? Facts matter.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Ok, that's cool. And new, isn't it? I put in a title and immediately a list of similar threads popped up. Awesome....

ANYHOW, I don't see my question answered, so here goes.

My pastor announced a communion and foot washing service at the end of the year. He said then that they don't rebaptize, long as you've been baptized right, but they do foot washing at the end of every year and consider it a vital part of one's walk with God. He said it's a symbol of washing away the world we walk in, our feet get dirty. I get that last part. lol

I'm curious if the idea that this is vital to one's walk with God is something anyone could explain?

I have a whole lot of reasons why I'm not really liking the idea of this, I'm trying to educate myself a little bit before I state my case to my pastor. At least get an idea of what his mindset may be regarding this. Thanks!

Actually, my Pastor taught us about footwashing as an example that Jesus gave us at the last supper when he washed the disciples feet. The greatest among us must be the servant to all.

Washing another's feet is an act of humilty and submission. The most memorable footwashing that I ever participated in was with a friend that I admired dearly. She and I went to the church, into the prayer room, and we washed each other's feet.

Churches today don't participate in footwashing or they do it half-footed [one foot with their hose on]. Nobody wants to humble themselves anymore. It is a Narcisisstic world/church.

Just my opinion.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Bring it on... show me whatever so called power or authority you claim to have.... I welcome it, I relish it... I dare you. There is no man who can stop me from asking honest questions any longer... you people who ONLY rule through fear and guilt have no power over me any longer.

Pray me into hell, pray me into a car wreck. I will still be here, I will not go away. I will not be intimidated by the likes of you. In fact, gather every so-called anointed preacher that you know and I challenge you all to make me stop questioning.

Sheltiedad,

One of the last conversations my middle sister had with our ultra-conservative Pastor...back in the day [the Pastor tried to tell her that she should cover the sin of multiple adulteries in the church as they involved the Pastor's son who was married to my other sister].

She told the Pastor, "You can try to threaten and intimidate me, but I don't fear you any more. If I leave this church and step into the street and get killed it is because it is my time to go not because I uncovered your son's sin."

Fearing God is a deep respect for God, but to fear man is ridiculous and to let men intimidate and threaten to prove their viewpoint is the sin of Jezebel.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The gospel is too simple for some folks Jesus said wash feet and they clean the house-mow the grass? Washing feet is an ordinance that is binding on the NT church today. Jesus did it literally and commanded them to do it and the early church practiced it. A church that does NOT practice literal feetwashing is NOT an Apostolic church!

That is a broad-brush stroke, not Biblical, and a false doctrine.

Blessings, Rhoni