Tithing…Is it a command?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Probably never taught to.

OK Rudy and all your fellow free will offerings.

This comes from a new apostolic Church that will be established January 1, 2015

I only copied the first 2 paragraphs and the part about finance; the document discusses some other doctrines.
This is a church that officially teaches tithing but allows freedom to those who believe in freewill giving.

would the following statement be a satisfactory compromise?

TOLERATION POLICY
The Christian Apostolic Church Universal (CACU) has a toleration policy, which is a unique feature of our church. While we believe the following official stance on certain doctrines are biblically correct, nevertheless for the sake of brotherly love and kindness to those who differ biblically in such matters, we have therefore created this toleration policy.

Although The Christian Apostolic Church Universal (CACU) does not demand or require that its members or ministers adhere to the official doctrinal stances, we do require that any dissenting person be polite, respectful and avoid creating disunity in the church.

Finance.
The official stance of The Christian Apostolic Church Universal (CACU) is that the finances of the church should be generated thru tithes and offerings. Any member or minister of the CACU who disagrees with this official stance may disagree peacefully under our toleration policy.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

OK Rudy and all your fellow free will offerings.

This comes from a new apostolic Church that will be established January 1, 2015

I only copied the first 2 paragraphs and the part about finance; the document discusses some other doctrines.
This is a church that officially teaches tithing but allows freedom to those who believe in freewill giving.

would the following statement be a satisfactory compromise?

TOLERATION POLICY
The Christian Apostolic Church Universal (CACU) has a toleration policy, which is a unique feature of our church. While we believe the following official stance on certain doctrines are biblically correct, nevertheless for the sake of brotherly love and kindness to those who differ biblically in such matters, we have therefore created this toleration policy.

Although The Christian Apostolic Church Universal (CACU) does not demand or require that its members or ministers adhere to the official doctrinal stances, we do require that any dissenting person be polite, respectful and avoid creating disunity in the church.

Finance.
The official stance of The Christian Apostolic Church Universal (CACU) is that the finances of the church should be generated thru tithes and offerings. Any member or minister of the CACU who disagrees with this official stance may disagree peacefully under our toleration policy.

I have a feeling you are being funny.
Are you serious?

I hope you are serious because I believe that there should be one unified church and we will have to compromise to get there. (God help us)

With that being said I have no problem with the above BUT if that is the policy, tithes should be preached that way also - If you disagree with paying tithes basically don't pay tithes. According to your faith let it be so unto you.

I think we all agree on giving

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Sean your funny. I have particularly enjoyed this thread. I totally agree with you non-tithers on a lot of your points. There are people who teach tithing out of greed and there are people who don't tithe out of greed. I believe it is truly a matter of the heart and I wouldn't ever want someone to feel that they had to do tithe or else. If you don't want to then don't and I don't condemn you to hell and we would welcome you to our church. I do hope you in some way support your local church, though.

I don't wish or proclaim a curse on those who don't, but I do pray the Lord bless those who do. I am against preachers getting rich, but I support the principle of honoring God with your increase (tithing a good place to start).

P.S. know were the money goes in the local church. I don't advocate dumbly following. I think accountability should go both ways not just one.

We agree. I do believe in supporting a church. My post probably made you think otherwise. That being said I would expect the pastor to give also. I have seen churches where the pastor would give $1 and he would tell the members to give $10. If you didn't they your spirit was not right. That does not sit right with me. The husbandman that laboreth must be first partaker of the fruit.

You are definitely right, there has to be accountability.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

I have a feeling you are being funny.
Are you serious?

I hope you are serious because I believe that there should be one unified church and we will have to compromise to get there. (God help us)

With that being said I have no problem with the above BUT if that is the policy, tithes should be preached that way also - If you disagree with paying tithes basically don't pay tithes. According to your faith let it be so unto you.

I think we all agree on giving

Why should we have to compromise with a false doctrine? Would Paul have compromised with false teachers(heretics)?

We must get back to the ORIGINAL teachings of the Apostles to get our giving practices. This idea you are considering is saying tithing teaching is to be tolerated by non tithers and we are to shut up about it. It is completely unreasonable.(just read the last part and consider the implications, because it still causes the non tither to "validate" the tithe teacher by being "tolerant" of it being taught).

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

OK Rudy and all your fellow free will offerings.

This comes from a new apostolic Church that will be established January 1, 2015

I only copied the first 2 paragraphs and the part about finance; the document discusses some other doctrines.
This is a church that officially teaches tithing but allows freedom to those who believe in freewill giving.

would the following statement be a satisfactory compromise?

TOLERATION POLICY
The Christian Apostolic Church Universal (CACU) has a toleration policy, which is a unique feature of our church. While we believe the following official stance on certain doctrines are biblically correct, nevertheless for the sake of brotherly love and kindness to those who differ biblically in such matters, we have therefore created this toleration policy.

Although The Christian Apostolic Church Universal (CACU) does not demand or require that its members or ministers adhere to the official doctrinal stances, we do require that any dissenting person be polite, respectful and avoid creating disunity in the church.

Finance.
The official stance of The Christian Apostolic Church Universal (CACU) is that the finances of the church should be generated thru tithes and offerings. Any member or minister of the CACU who disagrees with this official stance may disagree peacefully under our toleration policy.

The statement it seems at least may open the door to debate. At present this is something the major orgs will not do.

[good samaritan]

Just so some of you know that tithing is taught from the Bible not the koran. You say it was only for the OT, point taken. Do you not use anything from the OT or do you intentionally violate everything that is OT. I remember when I was a boy being taught to not work on Sunday.(unless you had an ox in the ditch). I don't believe that teaching is for the NT church, but I believe this country was a much better place when we held them values. Many of those OT principles work very well. I don't think we should force anything on people the apostles didn't teach, but some here act like tithing didn't even come from the Bible.

By some of the tones you are setting it makes you sound hateful. Although you may disagree with someone on their stances concerning tithing last I heard we are free to make choices. No one is being made to tithe or not to tithe. If you walk out on God because you feel 10% is too steep, it doesn't matter if the teaching is correct or not because you have other problems. If you disagree with the tithe don't do it, but continue to walk with God and follow all the other apostolic teachings that is clearly defined.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

I have a feeling you are being funny.
Are you serious?

I hope you are serious because I believe that there should be one unified church and we will have to compromise to get there. (God help us)

With that being said I have no problem with the above BUT if that is the policy, tithes should be preached that way also - If you disagree with paying tithes basically don't pay tithes. According to your faith let it be so unto you.

I think we all agree on giving

I am trying to show love and acceptance with those who do not believe in tithing. I do not want anyone to be run out of the church because they do not believe tithing is biblical.

I am trying to find some kind of compromise that would be acceptable of both tithing and freewill giving for both sides use the Bible for their arguments.

I love my brethren even those who I believe to be in error, I want to find a statement that would be acceptable to them without denying what I believe.

Unlike others I do no pray or wish for the death of any brother because he disagrees with how I see the scriptures, instead I pray that God will shower plenty of blessings and long life upon any such brother.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Just so some of you know that tithing is taught from the Bible not the koran. You say it was only for the OT, point taken. Do you not use anything from the OT or do you intentionally violate everything that is OT. I remember when I was a boy being taught to not work on Sunday.(unless you had an ox in the ditch). I don't believe that teaching is for the NT church, but I believe this country was a much better place when we held them values. Many of those OT principles work very well. I don't think we should force anything on people the apostles didn't teach, but some here act like tithing didn't even come from the Bible.

By some of the tones you are setting it makes you sound hateful. Although you may disagree with someone on their stances concerning tithing last I heard we are free to make choices. No one is being made to tithe or not to tithe. If you walk out on God because you feel 10% is too steep, it doesn't matter if the teaching is correct or not because you have other problems. If you disagree with the tithe don't do it, but continue to walk with God and follow all the other apostolic teachings that is clearly defined.

Brother, how do you think tithing even got started in Christianity? It started by a bunch of dark age heretics trying to make a "principle" of tithing, using the O.T. as the basic pattern. It was only adopted in "principle" in the 6th century, but became a strict commandment of men by the 8th century.

This suggestion is just history repeating itself.


BTW...killing homosexuals is a O.T. command, do you practice that in "principle".


Looks to me that you guys would only like to see tithing established in "principle" here.

[good samaritan]

Brother, how do you think tithing even got started in Christianity? It started by a bunch of dark age heretics trying to make a "principle" of tithing, using the O.T. as the basic pattern. It was only adopted in "principle" in the 6th century, but became a strict commandment of men by the 8th century.

This suggestion is just history repeating itself.

I don't go by church history only by the scripture. History is always told from a person's viewpoint and we get their embellishments. I learned to tithe from the OT in the Bible. If you don't want to do it then don't. The NT commands to weekly give as the Lord has prospered you and tithing makes good application of that.

BTW...killing homosexuals is a O.T. command, do you practice that in "principle".

No I don't stone them, but I teach it is a sin. I don't think the apostles explicitly teach against homosexuality in scriptures and according to your logic it would be wrong to teach against it. Since it is just OT.

Looks to me that you guys would only like to see tithing established in "principle" here.

I am sorry I said tithing is a principle. Tithing is an "application" of the principle of giving. God will be the judge of how I have used my finances in life. No one has to tithe, but God will judge what they should or should not of given. I certainly want to be found trying to please God in my giving.It does matter.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

I am trying to show love and acceptance with those who do not believe in tithing. I do not want anyone to be run out of the church because they do not believe tithing is biblical.

I am trying to find some kind of compromise that would be acceptable of both tithing and freewill giving for both sides use the Bible for their arguments.

I love my brethren even those who I believe to be in error, I want to find a statement that would be acceptable to them without denying what I believe.

Unlike others I do no pray or wish for the death of any brother because he disagrees with how I see the scriptures, instead I pray that God will shower plenty of blessings and long life upon any such brother.

I understand what you are trying to do BUT I also understand Sean's point also. Like I mentioned before if you are going to preach tithes and tell everyone else who disagrees to going pray in a corner somewhere. That is not a compromise.

Other people on this thread have presented legitimate compromises I would have no problem accepting.

I don't care about a policy I care about what comes to my ears from the pulpit.

Again I truly appreciate what you are trying to do. I believe we will have to compromise (based on truth, not false doctrine) if we are going to one day be on one accord. The bible says "Come now and let us reason together..". I wish every pastor had your same spirit.