Most people, when claiming healing for something diagnosed by diagnostic procedures have no idea they are healed until they go for further testing.
Not many people claim healing for cancer or diabetes until being tested first. There is no other way to tell.
Exactly but they are trusting so much and are believing what they are hearing that they assume they were healed. People have stopped treatment over stuff like that and come to find out they were not really healed.
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Let me AGAIN preface by saying I'm not a Benny follower or supporter. there are many things about this type of ministry I don't care for.
however, I can see that in this instance, he is damned if he does and damned if doesn't. In America, the cynics would be crying " where are the doctor's to Prove it"? and then, you have another crowd that says WHY DOES HE NEED DOCTORS THERE?? If it's really God ,etc
No you missed the point again. It was pointed out they DO have doctors when you poopood HOs point about getting Dr check ups. The doctors at those meetings do NOT do real examinations to determine the sickness or disability is genuine. They DO have Drs....they do NOT do complete physicals before or after the supposed miracle to verify it. Get it?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
is this something we know or is this something we believe because Nine god Benny told us?
Now, having said that, I am not in the business of telling God when He can heal someone or whom He gets to use. God does what He wants to and Im not on the committee that oversees His Actions.
I dont believe anything Benny says. I wouldn't go to any Benny "show", I wouldnt advise anyone to go. if someone tells me God healed them of a jock rash at a benny hinn "show" I am going to say "Praise the Lord" (and mean it).
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Just because ones operates in the gifts, it don't mean they are producing the fruit of the Spirit. Look at Balaam, he had a relationship with God. He talked to God and God answered. He prophesied the coming of the Messiah, but went back to where he came from and was killed when Israel conquered that land.
Jesus said by their fruits you will know them not by the power they operate in.
to answer both of ya...
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Once God anoints God does not remove anointing. Look at Saul. God told Samuel, the man that anointed Saul to be King, that He, God, was done with Saul as King. Most theologians believe this happened 10-15 years before God spoke to Samuel to anoint David King. Saul was still anointed as King and was blessed, but God was done with him. God did not remove the anointing off of Saul. God went and anointed David as King. Sauls time was over, but God still used him as King.
Hinn has been through something in his life that God placed an anointing on. God may not be happy with what Benny has done since, but once God gives a gift he does not take it away. God will call us to do something and if we do not do it then He will call someone else to do it. This is why I say what I do. There ae people that are healed at his meetings not only because of their faith, but because of his anointing. Faith without the works..remember that? I have read stories about him. One of the stories was the weekend before NAYC in Atlanta. He was praying for some one and a lady came up behind him and touched him and he got mad and said they anointing was sucked out of him and that they needed to start over again with the song service so he could get into the flow. I think this is stupid, he is not Jesus. But at the same time I know stories of people that doubted his ministry and went to a meeting and were healed.
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Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Once God anoints God does not remove anointing. Look at Saul. God told Samuel, the man that anointed Saul to be King, that He, God, was done with Saul as King. Most theologians believe this happened 10-15 years before God spoke to Samuel to anoint David King. Saul was still anointed as King and was blessed, but God was done with him. God did not remove the anointing off of Saul. God went and anointed David as King. Sauls time was over, but God still used him as King.
Hinn has been through something in his life that God placed an anointing on. God may not be happy with what Benny has done since, but once God gives a gift he does not take it away. God will call us to do something and if we do not do it then He will call someone else to do it. This is why I say what I do. There ae people that are healed at his meetings not only because of their faith, but because of his anointing. Faith without the works..remember that? I have read stories about him. One of the stories was the weekend before NAYC in Atlanta. He was praying for some one and a lady came up behind him and touched him and he got mad and said they anointing was sucked out of him and that they needed to start over again with the song service so he could get into the flow. I think this is stupid, he is not Jesus. But at the same time I know stories of people that doubted his ministry and went to a meeting and were healed.
JT, I can read the bible too. I know what happens with anointing....
you didnt answer my quesiton. how do you know the guy is anointed? did you get that from watching him or is this something you have come to in prayer and fasting?
where is brother Epley when I need him.
Im not going to Challenge God on what he chooses to do, but i am going to be pretty slow to pronounce anointing on someone who wouldnt know the truth standing on a bible looking at God. (yea that came from Jeff)
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Let me AGAIN preface by saying I'm not a Benny follower or supporter. there are many things about this type of ministry I don't care for.
however, I can see that in this instance, he is damned if he does and damned if doesn't. In America, the cynics would be crying " where are the doctor's to Prove it"? and then, you have another crowd that says WHY DOES HE NEED DOCTORS THERE?? If it's really God ,etc
Thad, it's not the claims from the people themselves that are being questioned, it's HIS claims that they are being done when they aren't. His attempt at avoiding scrutiny by having a doc onhand to 'verify' these 'miracles' are proof enough that he's trying to sidestep what God can really do, but doesn't in his meetings (those that he brings attention to).
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Thad, it's not the claims from the people themselves that are being questioned, it's HIS claims that they are being done when they aren't. His attempt at avoiding scrutiny by having a doc onhand to 'verify' these 'miracles' are proof enough that he's trying to sidestep what God can really do, but doesn't in his meetings (those that he brings attention to).
So you think the doctors are being paid off to lie ??
ok, you said a panel researched a dozen or so people that claimed to be healed at the crusades? THOUSANDS claim healing. Show me HUNDREDS of people....show me THOUSANDS of people and the panel will have more influence. You can't show a dozen or so that haven't been healed and declare that no one ever gets healed. There are tens of thousands more that will say different.
The panel picked out a random dozen or so....no rhyme or reason, but due to cost and such, I suppose that's why they picked so few.
Those that were picked were in the public's eye, having been declared by Benny (something he claims he doesn't do, but clearly did during these meetings that were shown) to be healed. I believe five of them were already dead of their affliction by the time the study went underway.
Thousands claim healing in UPC services too, but we aren't talking about claims here, but actual declarations of healing that were made by Benny himself.
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No you missed the point again. It was pointed out they DO have doctors when you poopood HOs point about getting Dr check ups. The doctors at those meetings do NOT do real examinations to determine the sickness or disability is genuine. They DO have Drs....they do NOT do complete physicals before or after the supposed miracle to verify it. Get it?
Thanks for trying.
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