Do You Believe in Women Pastors?

[Sam]

Keep them women barefoot and pregnant,
keep them in the kitchen and the bedroom,
but,
don't let them on the platform
and,
don't let them say anything in the church house.

[OneAccord]

One of the best words of advice to anyone who feels called of God for the ministry was spoken by a woman. My advice to anyone, male or female, who feels God calling them to a ministry is to, well, follow this advice:

John 2:5 Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Listed below are the names of all of the Lady Pastors in the Bible

That is absolutely the truth! But never mind what's in the bible or not in the bible. It's just a book of suggestions, not commands.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Sam

Keep them women barefoot and pregnant,
keep them in the kitchen and the bedroom,
but,
don't let them on the platform
and,
don't let them say anything in the church house.

Sam, your sentiments poorly reflect the attitude many complimentarians have for women. But thanks for speaking to stereotypes and labels

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Yes, it is very inconsistent. It's kinda like, "I don't mind if a black man hits the winning home run for my team, but don't make him the President." We don't mind if the women perform, but don't put them in charge.

Bump.

What do ye all say to this?

[OneAccord]

I say this.... if God calls a sister to serve in some area of mnistry, whatever that ministry may be, I sure ain't gonna be the one to call Him on a technical foul. If He didn't call her, she'll have to answer to Him. If He did call her, and I oppose her, I just might be the one answering for that!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Bump.

What do ye all say to this?

I think characterizing this discussion as being akin to racism is silly. I'm completely uninterested in "women's rights" in regard to church leadership. It isn't about anyone's rights; it's about what God expects of each of us and how we can fulfill His will.

As a woman, I have a vested interest in figuring out what God's will is for my life, both so I can fulfill my obligations and teach my daughters to fulfill theirs.

There are scriptures at the center of this controversy, and politically correct or not, we have to decide whether or not they are applicable, and if so, in what way.

I think a lot of people confuse what people discuss on a forum with action taken in real life. Our posted words are really just our posted thoughts; the fact that I'm not too keen on women pastors doesn't mean I'm going to run out trying to stop any woman from fulfilling her calling as she understands it. That's between that woman and God. I'm participating in this conversation because it's of interest to me. The only person I control is me. I wouldn't even discourage my daughters from fulfilling a call to ministry, if they truly felt it. I would remind them that they have primary, God-given responsibilities to husband, children and home, and leave the rest to them.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think characterizing this discussion as being akin to racism is silly. I'm completely uninterested in "women's rights" in regard to church leadership. It isn't about anyone's rights; it's about what God expects of each of us and how we can fulfill His will.

As a woman, I have a vested interest in figuring out what God's will is for my life, both so I can fulfill my obligations and teach my daughters to fulfill theirs.

There are scriptures at the center of this controversy, and politically correct or not, we have to decide whether or not they are applicable, and if so, in what way.

I think a lot of people confuse what people discuss on a forum with action taken in real life. Our posted words are really just our posted thoughts; the fact that I'm not too keen on women pastors doesn't mean I'm going to run out trying to stop any woman from fulfilling her calling as she understands it. That's between that woman and God. I'm participating in this conversation because it's of interest to me. The only person I control is me. I wouldn't even discourage my daughters from fulfilling a call to ministry, if they truly felt it. I would remind them that they have primary, God-given responsibilities to husband, children and home, and leave the rest to them.

Well, I've thought that a few of your opinions were silly, too, so we're even.

However, in this case you have no more scriptural backing to prohibit a woman from pastoring than you do to keep a woman completely silent in the church. If you're going to culturalize "Let a woman keep silent", you're not able to apply the verses you're using to the broad spectrum of all societies. Not fair. You're making one set of verses cultural and not the other.

Also, you said in post #65 that a woman preaching is not a position of authority but a woman pastoring would be a position of authority. Boy, talk about silly. Are you serious? You don't see someone stepping forward and assuming the position as the Oracle of God, as being authoritative? Now that's silly.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Well, I've thought that a few of your opinions were silly, too, so we're even.

However, in this case you have no more scriptural backing to prohibit a woman from pastoring than you do to keep a woman completely silent in the church. If you're going to culturalize "Let a woman keep silent", you're not able to apply the verses you're using to the broad spectrum of all societies. Not fair. You're making one set of verses cultural and not the other.

How did I culturalize "Let a woman keep silent?" I didn't even mention culture. I said a literal interpretation was improbable and impractical, and then I pondered two other types of interpretations. I didn't even delve into the idea that the passage is somehow inapplicable because of culture.

Also, you said in post #65 that a woman preaching is not a position of authority but a woman pastoring would be a position of authority. Boy, talk about silly. Are you serious? You don't see someone stepping forward and assuming the position as the Oracle of God, as being authoritative? Now that's silly.

When I read the Bible aloud to my kids, it's "authoritative" because it's the Word of God. That doesn't mean I suddenly have authority over my husband if he happens to be sitting there listening. Administrative positions over a local church aren't "authoritative" in the same way as having implicit, divine authority because of the content and context. All Christians have a mandate to share the Gospel, and the Gospel comes with its own autonomous authority. I see a woman sharing the Gospel as different than carrying out a role of leadership over a local congregation, especially in an administrative, practical capacity.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

How did I culturalize "Let a woman keep silent?" I didn't even mention culture. I said a literal interpretation was improbable and impractical, and then I pondered two other types of interpretations. I didn't even delve into the idea that the passage is somehow inapplicable because of culture.



When I read the Bible aloud to my kids, it's "authoritative" because it's the Word of God. That doesn't mean I suddenly have authority over my husband if he happens to be sitting there listening. Administrative positions over a local church aren't "authoritative" in the same way as having implicit, divine authority because of the content and context. All Christians have a mandate to share the Gospel, and the Gospel comes with its own autonomous authority. I see a woman sharing the Gospel as different than carrying out a role of leadership over a local congregation, especially in an administrative, practical capacity.

You culturalized "Let a woman keep silent in the church" by saying you think it's ok for a woman to preach. The only way you could arrive at that opinion is to say that "Let a woman keep silent in the church" was cultural. No?

So I'm confused here....do you think a woman can be in a position of authority or not? Either they can or they can't and if they can, how do you eliminate, scripturally, the authoritative position of pastor?

You've assumed a position of authority here on this forum, haven't you? Maybe you should resign!