Bro-Larry, First of all I think we're talking past each other a bit. Let's define terms. What do you mean by 'interpretation'?
Also I think you made the terms 'version' and 'paraphrase' synonymous and they are not. It all depends on the philosophy of the translation team. One must have a basic understanding of how that works. Have you studied the history of biblical textual criticism?
No they are not synonymous. The Living Bible is not a translation, it's a Paraphrase.
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
Tim, You tell me. Whatever your answer is, it will have to be your interpretation, because the Bible doesn't say.
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
Why don't all of you go back to my first post and read it, and get back on the subject. Don't just take the title, you only have a few words for the title.
Take the title in context with my first post.
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
The "works of the devil" are : sickness, disease, death, poverty, oppression, etc. They are always "works of the devil", all the time. They are not the "will of God", because there are none in heaven, and there were none here on Earth, before the devil brought them to Adam and Eve in the garden, and they received them.
GOD IS A GOOD FATHER, ALL THE TIME. THE "WORKS OF THE DEVIL" ARE BAD, ALL THE TIME.
"God is the greatest parent the world has ever know." : Alan Oggs.
(Lk 11:12) shows us that our heavenly father would never give us something that would hurt us. This is established as a truth by the words of Jesus.
Jesus came to destroy "the works of the devil". (I Jn 3:8). God will never use "the works of the devil" to save us. We cannot be saved by works, even the devil's works. If you could, then the devil could boast. (Eph 2:9)
Jesus went about healing all that were oppressed of the devil. (Acts 10:38). How could God then justly, use "the works of the devil" to benefit us in anyway? I say He could not, without being unjust.
God will never use the "works of the devil" to correct us. The word of God is given for correction. (II Tim 3:16-17) If you will not be corrected by the word, then you will not be corrected, even by "a work of the devil". (Lk 16:31)
Oppression never benefited Isreal, it only made them bitter toward God. They were phony. They would cry the the Lord, then as soon as He delivered them, they would murmur and complain. The final result was, they died by the millions.
By God all things consist. Nothing can happen unless the Lord allows it.
The Lord is the one who pointed the devil towards Job.
IS. 45:7 The Lord created evil.
I trust you believe someone can die of a disease, at a young age and be saved.
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Tim, You tell me. Whatever your answer is, it will have to be your interpretation, because the Bible doesn't say.
My interpretation of the story is that, most likely, someone made it up or twisted and exaggerated it, to fill the followers with fear, to keep them in line. It's a long-standing tradition that carries on to this day. (Had a pastor who liked to tell about a man in his previous church who "gave the pastor a hard time" and died. I compare his story to the true story of my son's pet bunny who bit me in the butt and died. Never mind that it was weeks later and for a totally unrelated reason.)
Even if the events were true, Peter predicted Sapphira's death, after scolding her for tempting God. Pretty strong implication that it was God's doing. One of those reading comprehension things. If God killed them, would it have to have been written to say exactly that? If it wasn't God, who else could it have been? Peter? Old age?
Or was it Satan? Did the devil punish these two for lying to God? Seems unlikely.
OK, here's another one: who killed Uzzah?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
By God all things consist. Nothing can happen unless the Lord allows it.
There are only three forces at play in the Earth: God, man, and the devil. THE LORD GOD made the earth, and everything in it, then He made man to be god over the Earth.
(All scriptures are from KJV. Words in brackets were added by the translators.)
(Ps 115:16): "the heaven, [even] the heavens, [are] the LORD's : but the earth hath He given to the children of men."
(Ps 8:6): "Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all [things] under his feet:..."
(Gen 1:26-28): "And God said, Let us make man....; and let them have dominion....over all the earth".
Man has all the authority in the Earth. Therefore: The LORD GOD must operate thru a man, and the devil has no authority, in the Earth, unless he gets it from a man. Man (Adam and Eve) gave the devil an inroad into the earth. (Lk 4:5-6) They delivered the kingdoms of the earth to the devil.
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The Lord is the one who pointed the devil towards Job.
It does indeed seem from the text that is true. But you have to interprete and extrapolate violently for that to mean whatever you are implying that it says.
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IS. 45:7 The Lord created evil.
But it was not evil when God created it. God created it good and it went bad.
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I trust you believe someone can die of a disease, at a young age and be saved.
Of course, but God never made one of His kids sick. (Lk 11:11-13)
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
Not "who" but "what" ? This is a big big subject, Timmy.
It was the same thing that has killed everybody who has ever died, from Adam and Eve till now.
CONDEMNATION is the killer. There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:1)
The children of Israel murmured, complained and transgressed all the way to Mt Sinai, but nobody died, because they had Christ with them.
At the Red Sea Moses' rod was a type of the cross of Christ. He stood up and held that rod out over the sea and said, "Stand still and see Jeshuah [Jesus]." (Ex 14:13)
At Marah, Moses threw a tree into the bitter water, and it was made sweet; there's the cross of Christ. (Ex 15:24)
At the Wilderness of Sin, (Ex 16:8) He gave them manna. Jesus is the bread that came down from heaven.
At Rephidim, Moses smote the rock and they drank (Ex 17:3) from, "....that spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was Christ."
Then after the Law was given in Ex chapter 20, sin revived and they died, ( Rom 7:9) by the millions. (II Cor 3:7), calls the giving of the law: "the ministration of death". In (vs:9) Paul calls it "the ministration of CONDEMNATION"
Even those who were bitten by the fiery serpents lived if they only looked at the brass snake that Moses made and put up on a pole. That snake was a type of Christ.
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
Not "who" but "what" ? This is a big big subject, Timmy.
It was the same thing that has killed everybody who has ever died, from Adam and Eve till now.
CONDEMNATION is the killer. There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:1)
The children of Israel murmured, complained and transgressed all the way to Mt Sinai, but nobody died, because they had Christ with them.
At the Red Sea Moses' rod was a type of the cross of Christ. He stood up and held that rod out over the sea and said, "Stand still and see Jeshuah [Jesus]." (Ex 14:13)
At Marah, Moses threw a tree into the bitter water, and it was made sweet; there's the cross of Christ. (Ex 15:24)
At the Wilderness of Sin, (Ex 16:8) He gave them manna. Jesus is the bread that came down from heaven.
At Rephidim, Moses smote the rock and they drank (Ex 17:3) from, "....that spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was Christ."
Then after the Law was given in Ex chapter 20, sin revived and they died, ( Rom 7:9) by the millions. (II Cor 3:7), calls the giving of the law: "the ministration of death". In (vs:9) Paul calls it "the ministration of CONDEMNATION"
Even those who were bitten by the fiery serpents lived if they only looked at the brass snake that Moses made and put up on a pole. That snake was a type of Christ.
How's the LCFV coming? Fix the error yet where the KJV says God killed Uzzah? How about where it says God hardened Pharaoh's heart, several times? Did God kill the firstborn children of Egypt, or was that condemnation, too?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
How's the LCFV coming? Fix the error yet where the KJV says God killed Uzzah? How about where it says God hardened Pharaoh's heart, several times? Did God kill the firstborn children of Egypt, or was that condemnation, too?
Where do you live in Texas, Timmy?
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
Never mind that it was weeks later and for a totally unrelated reason.)
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