Umm....just for the record in case anyone missed it; this report is not about the children from the Eldorado ranch. Instead it is talking about 20 children out of a population of 8000 polygamist in other states.
Furthermore, although this disease is made manifest; there is also likely to be some kinds of diseases that won't manifest as much as in the general population due to the limited genetic pool.
Thanks for the clarification. I'd missed that.
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Umm....just for the record in case anyone missed it; this report is not about the children from the Eldorado ranch. Instead it is talking about 20 children out of a population of 8000 polygamist in other states.
Furthermore, although this disease is made manifest; there is also likely to be some kinds of diseases that won't manifest as much as in the general population due to the limited genetic pool.
You are absolutely right, there are some even more terrifying to me. And lets face it no matter which side you believe, these children will have some form of lifetime trauma just because they were taken away from the only family and home they have ever known. The numbers alone of frightened kids breaks my heart.
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2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Are you aware they dug around the ranch looking for dead bodies and I believe they even dug up the graves that were there? But it didn't produce anything so it wasn't given much press.
Are you talking about El Dorado or in Arizona?
The place I am talking about was in Arizona, and actually they only showed about 100 marked graves of babies. Most of them were Jessops or Barlows. More interesting to me were the large number of abandoned, broke down, rusted cars on the other side of the fence.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Really? I read something very different hundreds of articles ago. I would hate to have to go find it. Would you have an easier time finding support for your claim?
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Merrill Jessop, for one, lives there.
He's in his 80's. He has 13 wives.
He is Carolyn Jessop's ex-husband.
She wrote "Escape"
In it she describes how he punished her through her children.
He used a form of water torture on them.
A truly awful man.
I believe Warren Jeffs left him in charge of the YFZ Ranch.
Are you talking about El Dorado or in Arizona?
The place I am talking about was in Arizona, and actually they only showed about 100 marked graves of babies. Most of them were Jessops or Barlows. More interesting to me were the large number of abandoned, broke down, rusted cars on the other side of the fence.
Sorry for the sloppy writing. I was comparing it to raid at the Eldorado ranch where they were digging up graves and other areas where they thought hidden burial sites might be.
Medical experts say the incidence of the disorder will increase because the FLDS community is refusing to accept recommendations to reduce the likelihood of producing babies with fumarase deficiency. Tarby says he discussed the disease and its causes during a town meeting on November 18, 2004, that was attended by more than 100 FLDS members.
Tarby says he explained to the gathering at Town Hall in Colorado City that the only way to stop fumarase deficiency in the community is to abort fetuses that test positive for the disease and for the community to stop intermarriages between Barlows and Jessops, Barlows and Barlows and Jessops and Jessops.
Tarby says members of the community made it clear that neither choice was acceptable. Tarby recounts a conversation he had with a member of the Barlow clan in which he tried to explain why so much fumarase deficiency was occurring among Mormon polygamists.
"I said, 'You're married to somebody you're related to. That leads to problems.'
"The man's response was, 'Up here, we are all related,'" Tarby says. "They just don't worry about the effects of intermarriage."
Tarby says the disease could begin to show up in children at Warren Jeffs' new FLDS headquarters under construction on a 1,600-acre ranch outside of Eldorado. The FLDS already has moved several hundred men, women and children to the compound, many of whom very likely carry the fumarase deficiency gene.
The only long-term solution to the health crisis is for Barlows and Jessops to have children with spouses from outside the polygamist community.
"They have to outbreed," Aleck says.
But this is a very unlikely scenario for FLDS faithful, who practice a religious doctrine that requires men to be strictly obedient to religious leaders and requires women to give birth to as many children as possible to increase the sect's numbers.
"Who [from outside the fundamentalist Mormon religion] would want to go in there and join their population?" Aleck asks. "It's probably hard to recruit into that environment."
Indeed, even if an outsider wanted to join the FLDS community, such a person would not be welcome.
"They are discouraging any new blood," historian Bistline says. "They've got this idea that their blood is pure and that they want to keep it pure."
With no other options available, more FLDS families will be faced with the difficult burden of caring for children suffering with fumarase deficiency. Rather than take steps to avoid the problem, the FLDS loyalists may believe it is their duty to accept their fate.
"They think it is a test from God," says Wyler, who was born and raised in the FLDS before he was booted out.
Medical experts say the incidence of the disorder will increase because the FLDS community is refusing to accept recommendations to reduce the likelihood of producing babies with fumarase deficiency. Tarby says he discussed the disease and its causes during a town meeting on November 18, 2004, that was attended by more than 100 FLDS members.
Tarby says he explained to the gathering at Town Hall in Colorado City that the only way to stop fumarase deficiency in the community is to abort fetuses that test positive for the disease and for the community to stop intermarriages between Barlows and Jessops, Barlows and Barlows and Jessops and Jessops.
Tarby says members of the community made it clear that neither choice was acceptable. Tarby recounts a conversation he had with a member of the Barlow clan in which he tried to explain why so much fumarase deficiency was occurring among Mormon polygamists.
"I said, 'You're married to somebody you're related to. That leads to problems.'
"The man's response was, 'Up here, we are all related,'" Tarby says. "They just don't worry about the effects of intermarriage."
Tarby says the disease could begin to show up in children at Warren Jeffs' new FLDS headquarters under construction on a 1,600-acre ranch outside of Eldorado. The FLDS already has moved several hundred men, women and children to the compound, many of whom very likely carry the fumarase deficiency gene.
The only long-term solution to the health crisis is for Barlows and Jessops to have children with spouses from outside the polygamist community.
"They have to outbreed," Aleck says.
But this is a very unlikely scenario for FLDS faithful, who practice a religious doctrine that requires men to be strictly obedient to religious leaders and requires women to give birth to as many children as possible to increase the sect's numbers.
"Who [from outside the fundamentalist Mormon religion] would want to go in there and join their population?" Aleck asks. "It's probably hard to recruit into that environment."
Indeed, even if an outsider wanted to join the FLDS community, such a person would not be welcome.
"They are discouraging any new blood," historian Bistline says. "They've got this idea that their blood is pure and that they want to keep it pure."
With no other options available, more FLDS families will be faced with the difficult burden of caring for children suffering with fumarase deficiency. Rather than take steps to avoid the problem, the FLDS loyalists may believe it is their duty to accept their fate.
"They think it is a test from God," says Wyler, who was born and raised in the FLDS before he was booted out.
Jessop and Barlow are the most common names of the the babies buried in Arizona in the graves that were marked.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Woah! We are going to impose our beliefs on who can and can't have children so that we might secure a more perfect race?
Don't we already do this by criminalizing incest among cousins etc?
The world would have been better without Helen Keller, Abraham Lincoln, Picaso, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Moses?
What of Beethoven, Mozart, Howie Mandel, Sir Isaac Newton, Agatha Christie, Charles Dickens, Alfred Nobel, Aristotle, Theodore Roosevelt, Danny Glover, Albert Einstein, Alexander Graham Bell, Leonardo Da Vinci, Magic Johnson, Thomas Edison, Winston Churchhill, Donald Sutherland, Michael J. Fox, Stevie Wonder, John Milton, Donald Trump, and Tiger Woods?
Of course not.
But I'm sure given a choice these poor kids would choose health.
Something else from The Phoenix News: (this is an old article)
The ultimate decision on marriages rests with FLDS Prophet Warren Jeffs. And Jeffs so far has shown no indication that he is concerned about the increasing prevalence of fumarase deficiency children in the community, former FLDS member Isaac Wyler says.
Even if a genetic screening test were available, Wyler says, Jeffs would have to be cautious about how he allowed it to be implemented. If the FLDS faithful believed that Jeffs was relying on science to determine marriages rather than divine revelation from God, he could lose control of the church.
"Warren has to be really careful that he doesn't lose his position as a god to these people," Wyler says.
FLDS marriages, Wyler and other community experts say, are an extension of a breeding program that began with Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in the 1830s. The early Mormon Church practiced polygamy until 1890, when leaders abandoned the practice as a condition for Utah to gain statehood. The FLDS was formed by Mormons who refused to give up polygamy.
Warren Jeffs, like Joseph Smith before him, has emphasized the importance of obedience among members of the church. Jeffs is following a long-established practice -- started by Smith 170 years ago -- of excommunicating those who do not strictly adhere to church leaders' commands.
"The 'gene' that Warren is really selecting for," Wyler says, "is the 'obedience gene.'
"Joseph Smith was also selecting for the 'obedience gene.' He was kicking people out, too, who weren't obedient.
"I hate to talk like this about my own genealogy," Wyler says, "but, literally, they are keeping all the breeding stock -- the women, the [strictly faithful] men -- and weeding out the disobedient men."
The ultimate goal of the breeding program, Wyler says, is to create the perfect race.
"Remember how Hitler was trying to breed a perfect race?" he says. "Warren Jeffs is also trying to breed a perfect race."
Merrill Jessop, for one, lives there.
He's in his 80's. He has 13 wives.
He is Carolyn Jessop's ex-husband.
She wrote "Escape"
In it she describes how he punished her through her children.
He used a form of water torture on them.
A truly awful man.
I believe Warren Jeffs left him in charge of the YFZ Ranch.
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Ha! Very good. I completely overlooked him.
I would however point out that some people mellow as they age and I suspect Carolyn Jessop makes quite a bit of money on her books.
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