Question about Acts 2:38: What about the martyrs?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

At some point you have to examine whether there is a part of you that wants, or even needs All Muslims Are Lost.

How many Muslims have you won to Christ in just the past year?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

by conflating a good tree with a bad tree? I would say that Scripture disagrees. Then, like i said, let's take the GS out of the equation, and discuss how "All Muslims are lost" violates "Judge not, lest you be judged," or Paul's edict to let God judge those outside the church. Or how this is not "Love your enemies," or "Love your neighbor." Or how God does not judge like we do, but judges a person's heart. Or, or, or, or.

Again, this is not about Muslims, at all, but about lack of humility. You can argue that you deem all Muslims lost "in all humility," but you then get trapped into describing how you deem anyone saved, wherein you talk fruit, but reveal that you really mean words. "Muslims are all lost," at the end of the day, because they do not chant "Acts 2:38" along with you.

Uh-huh, tell us more, please.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Uh-huh, tell us more, please.

Paul's saying that God judges the outside, is specifically speaking about the case dealing with fornicators of this world. He was explaining to the church family who didn't stop the incestous realtionship within their group, that those in the church who were criminals needed to be cast out. He then goes on to say that perverts and criminals outside the church weren't of consequence, because to avoid them the Christian would have to leave the world. Later in the next chapter Paul tell the congregation that they judge the world, and angels. Judge not lest you be judged, is strictly speaking of hypocrisy. If I was judging a muslim to be lost and I was a muslim also then my judgement is wrong. The muslim I'm judging has the speck, but I have the plank.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Paul's saying that God judges the outside, is specifically speaking about the case dealing with fornicators of this world. He was explaining to the church family who didn't stop the incestous realtionship within their group, that those in the church who were criminals needed to be cast out. He then goes on to say that perverts and criminals outside the church weren't of consequence, because to avoid them the Christian would have to leave the world. Later in the next chapter Paul tell the congregation that they judge the world, and angels. Judge not lest you be judged, is strictly speaking of hypocrisy. If I was judging a muslim to be lost and I was a muslim also then my judgement is wrong. The muslim I'm judging has the speck, but I have the plank.

But... I thought we were just a bunch of bad tribesmen?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

But... I thought we were just a bunch of bad tribesmen?

Shazeep, is just beating his tin drum, and therefore he keep repeating himself over and over. He holds the magnifying glass over the ants to just watch them burn. He tempts people to respond and therefore keeps the argument hot while he sits back and entertains himself.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

How many Muslims have you won to Christ in just the past year?

i have a different grasp of Spreading the Gospel than you probably do now. Your question suggests keeping a tally, and proselytization, and other concepts that i am not comfortable with.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Uh-huh, tell us more, please.

this should not in any way diminish the importance of Acts 2:38 for you, however. my meaning should be pretty clear.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i have a different grasp of Spreading the Gospel than you probably do now. Your question suggests keeping a tally, and proselytization, and other concepts that i am not comfortable with.

So, you have converted no muslim to Christianity?

I thought so, therefore at some point you have to examine whether there is a part of you which wants, or even needs All Muslims to be lost, because you want preach the Gospel to them.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Paul's saying that God judges the outside, is specifically speaking about the case dealing with fornicators of this world. He was explaining to the church family who didn't stop the incestous realtionship within their group, that those in the church who were criminals needed to be cast out. He then goes on to say that perverts and criminals outside the church weren't of consequence, because to avoid them the Christian would have to leave the world. Later in the next chapter Paul tell the congregation that they judge the world, and angels. Judge not lest you be judged, is strictly speaking of hypocrisy. If I was judging a muslim to be lost and I was a muslim also then my judgement is wrong. The muslim I'm judging has the speck, but I have the plank.

the advantage of a multiplicity of references allows one to toss any one they aren't sure fits...but in the end, you can justify pretty much what you want to, we all know that--but what you justify defines you. If all Muslims are lost because they probably wouldn't converse in the NT on your level, and you really think God is going to judge the same way, then i am not here to change your mind. The questions one should examine--the ones no one wanted to answer --are pretty clear.

[shazeep]