The thing that bothers me a little is that if I had been gunned down by the cops there would have been no protest and no outrage.
You are true about living in the ghetto but the problem is when you are driving through no one knows you five streets over.
Honestly, I think there would have been a bit more of an investigation at the local level, regardless of your jurisdiction, if in today's America, you were gunned down by a neighborhood watch guy.
Outrage, maybe not to the degree of what we are seeing-- but due diligence would have been the watchword for your investigation from the start and so the outrage would have been from your family and friends directed solely towards the perpetrator. In the Martin case, anger is not just limited towards his murderer-- but towards a murderer and a system that is allowing his murderer to be free tonight.
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Profiling is nothing more than using data to prevent possible crimes. The downside is there is not much room for variables and mistakes could be made. Israel uses profiling quite well for self preservation.
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Profiling is nothing more than using data to prevent possible crimes. The downside is there is not much room for variables and mistakes could be made. Israel uses profiling quite well for self preservation.
And quite professionally, I might add. They would laugh in your face at "presumed innocence" -- so ridiculous.
I guess one would just have to experience it, but it is quite refreshing to be presumed guilty in that setting, or for that matter on I-10, and it would vastly clarify the reality there:
"Hi. I just pulled you over because this alley is so thick with bad guys, we just assume everyone is guilty until we get a look at them, and after that we assume that only most people are guilty."
I know it is difficult, in a "democracy" especially, to assume the mantle of Grace, but if one just views the cop as a really vicious dog put there to protect one, who will gladly wag its tail at you once it has a sniff, this might provide some perspective here.
Well, at least some of the humorous responses here gave me a laugh out of the whole situation. Part of my frustration is that what this boils down too is a profile that is only race. If there were some other discernible things that I was actually doing that would make me fit some sort of profile, I may be able to understand or accept it better. I'm not driving some flashy car, wearing flashy clothes, wearing gold teeth and dreadlocks, acting nervous around the police, trying to avoid the police or any other behavioral thing they can point to. I'm a clean shaven (yeah, I finally got saved), balding, increasingly middle aged man, driving the speed limit in a reasonable car not acting uncomfortable about police presence.
I've been pulled over with my wife sitting next to me and my son in his car seat. By far, the most aggravating time was when we were on a long road trip and one woke my son up far sooner than he would have been waking up otherwise.
dude I dont even know what to say. do they always have some "reason"?
ive been stopped but only because I was speeding...doing something I wasnt supposed to be doing.
I think I would be documenting these stops and making videos of them. If I got stopped more than zero times by a policeman to just give me some information cuz he his a nice guy... and oh by the way where am I going and where did I come from, I would be irate. but that is easy to say on my part as I am white.
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I also travel a lot using rental cars.
And I get pulled over a lot.
I am up to 20+ consecutive pull overs, with out a ticket.
I am multi-racial, but look white, so for me, I think it is more of the rental car issue.
I also travel a lot using rental cars.
And I get pulled over a lot.
I am up to 20+ consecutive pull overs, with out a ticket.
I am multi-racial, but look white, so for me, I think it is more of the rental car issue.
I've rented a fair number of cars, and have been pulled over just once. (Going the wrong way on a one-way street! )
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Yea defintley rental car issues I was driving a box van rented with some work equipment in it and got pulled over before, they are just checking to make sure all is cool. I have no problem with it, I kind of like the fact they check can't never be too safe now days with all the crazies running around
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Truly spoken like someone who has NEVER experienced any prejudice or injustice of any kind in his lifetime. You say you would expect to be unfairly treated if certain very unlikely circumstances came to pass but I have to wonder how your bravado would actually hold up. I'd be willing to bet that just once being thrown on the ground and having a 9mm stuck to the back of your head... or even just being cuffed and carried to the local cop-shop while your car was impounded and your wife and child left on the side of the road to find their own ride from a strange place and your big trash talk would evaporate like a wisp of steam from a hot cow patty on a cold morning.
When I travel and see people of middle eastern descent in airports I feel such compassion for them. How brave they must be to go somewhere knowing that all eyes are upon them and very few are friendly. I do my best to try to give them a reassuring smile or a friendly hello.
Some times when you post you seem the epitome of unchristian character. Maybe that is not your intention but I often find you abrasive in the way that only those with very limited life experience are to me. Good Lord man... try to think before you speak. Stew is much too much the gentleman to say it and maybe he does not even feel it but this post in this thread made me want to vomit. I took a while and reread it to be sure it was not just a knee jerk reaction... and it is not.
Actually, you have no idea Sister if I've ever experienced the ill side of being unjustly treated or prejudice in my life. You make assumptions with no evidence, and then because you disagree with my opinion (was under the assumption all opinion were welcome), instead of keeping the discussion civil and talking about the merits, or lack there of, of profiling, you'd rather resort to personally attacking me, and my character. You have no idea what personal experiences I've had, especially if I've been thrown on the ground by an officer and mistaken for having bad intentions while there for a good purpose. Actually I have.. but you'd rather assume and blast me, than to stay on topic and have an above board respectful discussion.
I still maintain my opinion, that profiling in itself isn't wrong but is a valid technique that should be used more. It is a technique that can be abused, and misapplied as all, but that's where instruction and correction is needed... so that the technique would be used appropriately, not done away with.
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