Radical comments.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Does not excuse DU's comments if they are hateful.

The comments of the Klan is hateful and they aren't excused either.


Does the call for less heated rhetoric mean a call for censorship?

Not hardly.


It's a call for the people who are in the spotlight, who are influential, to be more careful about their words.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Still, Palin's faux pas helped create this image. She is having a hard time shaking that bad image, but she created it.

I don't have a problem with questioning her education or knowledge. I never did.

No one questions Giulliani's intellectualism. Why is that?
No one questions Powell's intellectualism. Why is that?
No one questions Gingrich's intellectualism. Why is that?
No one questions Hutchinson's intellectualism. Why is that?

None of these individuals ran for the highest office in the land. They are never in the position of being high profile like Palin is. But you can be sure that if Newt ran for President he will get attacked one way or another on something.

Palin is a rough around the edges kind of person. She appeals to the home maker. That does not make her stupid. She was caught flat footed in one interview and it forever portrayed her as being an imbecile...welcome to Hollywood. Any politician can go on an talk show and not know what the questions were gonna be ahead of time and be unprepared and be made to look like a fool.

Palin's intellectualism is attacked and people want to call that hate speech???

No that's not what is happening. The topic here is not "The Questioning of Palin's Intellect is hate speech"...I don't know where you are getting that from. She is not being attacked on her Intellectualism or lack there of. Rather she is being wrongfully and spitefully blamed for producing men like that nut that shot everyone in Arizona. Then when she uses the term blood libel, which was also used a day or so earlier in the NY Post, she was castigated for using it because centuries ago that was a term Christians used to slam Jews...so now she is being portrayed by the media in a certain way because of that.

It's just absurd. People were calling Bush a nazi and all kinds of rude things as to his intellect. He was an idiot and what not...it was all political. You know that very well. The slams agains Palin were POLITICALLY motivated. This shooting is being used as an opportunity by the left to malign her.

That is the issue

Palin's intents are questioned with her poor choice of words, but she represents the extreme right in the minds of some. Could it be that in their minds', her intents were not clear?

Palin has a terrible image and the onus on her to fix it.

No the issue was and is that the LEFT have dirty hands but they stick one finger in their mouth, suck off the dirt and point it at the RIGHT.

This thread started off pointing out that the LEFT are just as guilty..yet my point about the left that claim "It's both sides" are right and others like you who ignore what the left does and points fingers at the right then makes excuses for the constant ratchet of rhetoric at at time we were being asked to tone it down!

Political Opportunist!

[Praxeas]

No according to you it's a call for the RIGHT to cease and desist...leave the left alone! Your argument is one sided.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't have a problem with questioning her education or knowledge. I never did.


None of these individuals ran for the highest office in the land. They are never in the position of being high profile like Palin is. But you can be sure that if Newt ran for President he will get attacked one way or another on something.

Palin is a rough around the edges kind of person. She appeals to the home maker. That does not make her stupid. She was caught flat footed in one interview and it forever portrayed her as being an imbecile...welcome to Hollywood. Any politician can go on an talk show and not know what the questions were gonna be ahead of time and be unprepared and be made to look like a fool.


No that's not what is happening. The topic here is not "The Questioning of Palin's Intellect is hate speech"...I don't know where you are getting that from. She is not being attacked on her Intellectualism or lack there of. Rather she is being wrongfully and spitefully blamed for producing men like that nut that shot everyone in Arizona. Then when she uses the term blood libel, which was also used a day or so earlier in the NY Post, she was castigated for using it because centuries ago that was a term Christians used to slam Jews...so now she is being portrayed by the media in a certain way because of that.

It's just absurd. People were calling Bush a nazi and all kinds of rude things as to his intellect. He was an idiot and what not...it was all political. You know that very well. The slams agains Palin were POLITICALLY motivated. This shooting is being used as an opportunity by the left to malign her.

That is the issue

No the issue was and is that the LEFT have dirty hands but they stick one finger in their mouth, suck off the dirt and point it at the RIGHT.

This thread started off pointing out that the LEFT are just as guilty..yet my point about the left that claim "It's both sides" are right and others like you who ignore what the left does and points fingers at the right then makes excuses for the constant ratchet of rhetoric at at time we were being asked to tone it down!

Political Opportunist!

Palin has not run for the highest office in the land either.

Giulliani has.

Stick to the facts, Prax.



I have stated that I agree that those who are using Palin's use of that phrase as an excuse to call her anti-Semite are doing so out of their prejudice against her.

People don't think very highly of her based on the things she has said. She gave them the ammo and gives them the ammo whenever she opens her mouth and she is not careful about what she says.

It's like when a person or place of business gets a bad reputation-- they have to go above and beyond to repair that damage to their name. Remember Denny's? Yet IHOP has never had to go through the hoops that Denny's had to go through in order to stay profitable. Denny's has better food, but their name is still smeared with an accusation they earned all by themselves. The same phenomenon is happening to Palin-- for different reasons, nonetheless.

Palin doesn't care about her perception. If she did, she'd be more careful whenever she opened her mouth or she would simply stay out of the spotlight.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No according to you it's a call for the RIGHT to cease and desist...leave the left alone! Your argument is one sided.

My argument is that too many people on the right are trying to dodge the blame on this topic-- instead of admitting there is a serious problem, even if part of that problem is simply perception based. Conservatives have an obligation to admit and fix.

So does the left-- but I don't mince words when I state that the right is more guilty. I am a Republican and I can see it-- what's wrong with the rest of AFF?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Democratic Underground is not mainstream and does not carry the same weight of Beck or others being over the top with their comments.

There are some on the right who are almost consistently making over the top remarks that make the mainstream-- because they are part of the mainstream media.

It's not like Beck and Limbaugh can only be picked up on my transistor radio.



I don't have an agenda to push in this discussion.

What are some examples of Beck or Limbaugh inciting violence or even suggesting it?

[aegsm76]

JD - I only know of one presidential candidate who said there were 58 states. No one in the mainstream media questioned his intellectualism.
This is what I mean about an agenda to push.
None of these people got there because they were stupid.
They may all think at different speeds and and in different ways, but these leaders did not get to where they were because they were stupid.
I have a relative who was an aide to Colin Powell for almost 10 years. He said that he was one of the slowest thinkers that he ever encountered in the military. CP obviously was not stupid, he just thought things through differently.
But, the mainstream media has an agenda to push, so they focus on the "stupid" Republicans.
How many times have you heard them insinuate that a Democrat was stupid? Not even when Hank Johnson was talking about Guam tipping over into the ocean.
That's my point.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

My argument is that too many people on the right are trying to dodge the blame on this topic-- instead of admitting there is a serious problem, even if part of that problem is simply perception based. Conservatives have an obligation to admit and fix.

So does the left-- but I don't mince words when I state that the right is more guilty. I am a Republican and I can see it-- what's wrong with the rest of AFF?

My argument is too many people on the LEFT are getting away with what they do and say all the while pointing fingers at the RIGHT. The Media makes a bigger issue of what the Right says or does than the Left as do Liberals in general. Pointing fingers at one side rather than saying we all need to stop, just perpetuates that.

BTW you never watched Oberman?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Palin has not run for the highest office in the land either.

Giulliani has.

Stick to the facts, Prax.

Palin was the running mate of McCain in the presidential election

Giullian ran in the Republican primary for the presidential nomination OF the republican party

Yes stick to the facts

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

People don't think very highly of her based on the things she has said. She gave them the ammo and gives them the ammo whenever she opens her mouth and she is not careful about what she says.

It's like when a person or place of business gets a bad reputation-- they have to go above and beyond to repair that damage to their name. Remember Denny's? Yet IHOP has never had to go through the hoops that Denny's had to go through in order to stay profitable. Denny's has better food, but their name is still smeared with an accusation they earned all by themselves. The same phenomenon is happening to Palin-- for different reasons, nonetheless.

Palin doesn't care about her perception. If she did, she'd be more careful whenever she opened her mouth or she would simply stay out of the spotlight.

If she does care, she has a terrible way of showing it and her advisors should be fired.