CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay church - Page 7

Praxeas · #61 02-07-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

With all due respect Renda, THAT was a dumb question. Don't you know the lost should have the decency to clean up their act BEFORE we can fellowship with them!!! Don't want none of that the sin stuff rubbin' off.

..this is not "the lost" that need to be cleaned up first...this is a bunch of Christians who believe they already ARE clean and we are not talking about preaching them clean either or leading them to Christ...they believe they are already right with God and trusting in Christ

Praxeas · #62 02-07-2008, 01:36 AM

This is not an evangelistic meeting. This is a concert CeCe is giving for this church that says God is ok with gay sex. If there is any alter call it will be by the gay pastor for gays to come forward and accept Jesus and NOT change their lifestyle

mfblume · #63 02-07-2008, 01:44 AM

I agree that the Winans should have a bit of discernment and not allow gays to think their sin is okayed. The Winans were wrong, period. Just because a door of opportunity is opened, it does not mean it was God who did it. All things God does must line up with His Word, or He is not doing it. And unless they somehow got the message out that God is not pleased with homosexuality, or are making inroads to achieve that goal eventually, somehow, they either did not do the will of God, or God never opened the door for them to begin with.

TRFrance · #64 02-07-2008, 05:16 AM

I am dumbfounded by the lack of discernment reflected in some of these posts.
Simply.dumbfounded.

It's no wonder that so many of our churches are lacking in power.

ReformedDave · #65 02-07-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chosenbyone

How did you know that the people would have no need for repentance "in their own minds"? How did you know that she wouldn't call them to it? How would anyone know what the Lord would have purposed for anyone attending the concert?

There could be someone in attendance who would be hungry for salvation/deliverace that only comes from Jesus. I am so thankful that Jesus died for everyone and his grace and mercies were extended to everyone whether they attending a gay church concert or an Apostolic Sunday night service.

I will not judge anyone who reaches out to any segment of our society if they present hope and truth to a lost and dying world.

They would not be attending a gay church to get relief/deliverance from being gay!!!! Logically your argument fails. It's like trying to cast satan out by using his name! What they want is acceptance and I still say CeCe won't say a word. This is a far difference about eating with sinners. This is a church where they 'worship' God and think He has no problems with that.

People here either like to simply rattle cages or are some of the most deceived people and explains why the church world is in the mess it's in.

MissBrattified · #66 02-07-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Wouldn't the church that endorses sin have sinners in attendance?

Chosen, the difference is that, unless the Gospel is going to be proclaimed, what good is it doing the sinners?

I think you are being very shortsighted. In my opinion, it is unproductive at best, and at worst, it defies the scripture that says we are not to fellowship with believers who have turned back to sin.

I believe that scripture applies here, because we aren't talking about brothers and sisters who have simply messed up or fallen down, we're talking about people who are embracing sin, in the name of the Lord.

I would certainly think that ministering in a church with homosexuals present is wonderful! But ministering in a church that tells those homosexuals they are saved and alright with God? To me, that is apostasy, and I would want no part in it.

That would be like singing for a special event in a church that supports a swinging lifestyle or approves of incest.

Christ came to save sinners, but He rebuked hypocrites and pharisees, and if anyone qualifies as a hypocrite and pharisee, it is someone who professes Christ with their mouth, but continues in sin freely and without conviction or condemnation.

Aquila · #67 02-07-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

Indeed... I hope this happens. I won't say it can't but the liklihood is slim. These are not just any sinners. These are people who preach God accepts the sin... that it is not a sin at all.

We are living in a world where some sin has been widely accepted.. and because of this there are those of Christian "faith" who have been conditioned to believe the same as the world. We're all afraid of being called biggots or labled intolerant for our stance. We're bombarded daily by these thoughts...
How can love be wrong?

If this were a church who believed you can be a Christian and murder, or lie, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We'd all be on the same page.

All sinners think their sin is acceptable to God.

We have plenty of "conservative" Apostolic churches that advocate murder and lie and we have been socially conditioned to accept it. For example, most conservative churches radically support the death penalty because they see it in the OT. They also support Christians being actively involved in combative military actions. Yet in America up to 11% of those executed have been later found to have been innocent of the crimes charged, had received insufficient legal counsel, or a fair and legal trial. If just one innocent person is executed the system has innocent blood on it's hands.

In just the Iraq War an estimated 80,000 non-combatant civilians have been killed as collateral damage or in the cross-fire between coalition troops and insurgents. Not to mention the war's justification is questionable. We don't question these things as Christians. Our churches don't have the courage to stand up to the "conservative political correctness" and command a purely "Christian Ethos". Early Pentecostal pioneers united and began licensing to qualify for consciencious objector status. They also openly spoke out against war. It was said by one early 20th century Christian leader that Christians shouldn't sacrifice their children on the altar of the modern Moloch of patriotism...because we are not of this world, the last thing we should be are pawns in it's wars.

Also most Christians oppose any efforts to make sure that all Americans have the health insurance they need to survive. Thousands of Americans die each year because they just don't have medical insurance. Christians attack, denigrate, denounce, mock, and rebuke anyone who would advocate finding a way to cover all Americans.

In short...most conservative churches in America only believe in the sanctity of life in relation to one issue...abortion. The unborn are defended...the innocent sentenced to death is accepted, the high cost of life found in the wake of war is accepted, the loss of life from treatable sickness and disease is accepted. What stings the conscience of so many is that the church would have defended all these people and sought to protect their lives before they were born...but once born the church shifts into situational ethics accepting their deaths in so many other circumstances.

Oh well. My point is that though the perspective isn't popular, many of our churches do allow murder. Then they pull out their Bibles and excuse themselves.

It's all the same as the gay church in question. But for the record I certainly wouldn't have attended the gay church.

DividedThigh · #68 02-07-2008, 08:44 AM

yikes, these people at this church are not ignorant, they know what they stand for and shout it out loud, therefore it is my duty to leave them to it, yikes, dt

Aquila · #69 02-07-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Oh brother. Now we're "judging".
*sigh* So now we cant speak against anymore, because we'll be accused of judging.

I had a feeling that that was coming....it would only be a matter of time.

I think the issue is standing in judgment of CeCe's heart. She may be personally opposed to homosexuality, but felt that it might afford her an opportunity to help or witness to a friend or friends.

Homosexuality is a sin. The statement isn't judging. But when we zero in and make it personal, assuming things about an individual we're on the edge of being judgmental at best.

Aquila · #70 02-07-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I agree that the Winans should have a bit of discernment and not allow gays to think their sin is okayed. The Winans were wrong, period. Just because a door of opportunity is opened, it does not mean it was God who did it. All things God does must line up with His Word, or He is not doing it. And unless they somehow got the message out that God is not pleased with homosexuality, or are making inroads to achieve that goal eventually, somehow, they either did not do the will of God, or God never opened the door for them to begin with.

Amen. Perhaps Satan opened the door so that CeCe, who has a big heart, would walk through it. Satan was probably banking on the fact that so many would tear her down for it. If one is touching hearts for Christ and Satan can't destroy their ministry...he'll find a way to get us to destroy it for him.

I'd just privately share with CeCe that it might be unwise to do that again.