Where Have All The Men Gone?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Dan, I am not going along with your petty attempt to turn yet another thread into a con vs. lib nitpickfest.

This is an issue that really is bigger than your own little hobby horse.

Yeah ... okay ... skirt the issue ...

You've made various allusions to "charismatics" singing Jesus boyfriend songs before .... let's examine sexuality on the ideological level .... I'm game.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Who can disagree??? ... but their seems to be an unnatural focus on sexuality when "holiness" is preached by some of these men ...

One reason mom left the Apostolic Assembly because her pastor was OBSESSED w/ women's legs in his holiness diatribes.

You are absolutely right.

This is a red flag that I have observed in some on the fringes of the radical right. No doubt about it.

But I am not one of those fellows, and this issue bugs me.

[Nahum]

It is easy to see men really do hate church.


Look around this Sunday and see the differential of women vs. men in attendance.

The way we do church doesn't appeal to men.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The same could be said for a lot of the "I don't preach a clothesline message" crowd. Maybe they don't preach modest dress cause they like to look at women dressed like two-dollar-Saturday-night-whores.

I believe holiness but I don't preach the old traditional "clothesline message". As a matter of fact at our church you won't hear that preached but you will see LOTS of modest people living holiness standards. The difference is that we focus on being like Jesus. The more like Jesus we get the more modest we become.

If preacher constantly preaches about women's clothes he has issues.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It is easy to see men really do hate church.


Look around this Sunday and see the differential of women vs. men in attendance.

The way we do church doesn't appeal to men.

A Christian group called GodMen ... has made some of the same valid points ....

Here is their website: http://www.godmen.org/

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Yeah ... okay ... skirt the issue ...

You've made various allusions to "charismatics" singing Jesus boyfriend songs before .... let's examine sexuality on the ideological level .... I'm game.

Spiritual perversion usually goes hand in glove with sexual perversion.

You find it on both lunatic fringes--left and right.

I am not a prude, and am not conflicted or hung up when it comes to sexuality.

But neither am I inclined to discuss it in a mixed venue, except in very general terms.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

I believe holiness but I don't preach the old traditional "clothesline message". As a matter of fact at our church you won't hear that preached but you will see LOTS of modest people living holiness standards. The difference is that we focus on being like Jesus. The more like Jesus we get the more modest we become.

If preacher constantly preaches about women's clothes he has issues.

I absolutely agree with the last sentence.

But would you agree there needs to be some sort of dress code in the church?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

I believe holiness but I don't preach the old traditional "clothesline message". As a matter of fact at our church you won't hear that preached but you will see LOTS of modest people living holiness standards. The difference is that we focus on being like Jesus. The more like Jesus we get the more modest we become.

If preacher constantly preaches about women's clothes he has issues.

There is always that one preacher who boldly professed none of the women in his church wore a certain kind of undergarment.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Spiritual perversion usually goes hand in glove with sexual perversion.

You find it on both lunatic fringes--left and right.

I am not a prude, and am not conflicted or hung up when it comes to sexuality.

But neither am I inclined to discuss it in a mixed venue, except in very general terms.

Seems where discussing sexuality in a mixed venue ... right now ... including your references to "queers" ... in your words.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I absolutely agree with the last sentence.

But would you agree there needs to be some sort of dress code in the church?

I didn't say that we don't have a dress code. We have platform standards that must be followed. It is just that if you come to our church the "message of the hour" usually won't be how people are dressed or should be dressed. Those things are taught in other sessions. There are times that while Bro. Dobbs is preaching that standards do come out which is ok. I am not against that but it just is not something we harp on all the time from the pulpit in regular services.